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A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

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Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#91
post #79

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Why is everyone assuming SpaceX is getting paid for this by the government? The article doesn't even say that SpaceX is getting paid by the govt for it, they just put it in the headline and use weasel words in the story to make people come up with assumptions that may not be true. The govt can be paying those folks directly or Musk himself can be paying them like he did for some DOGE team members.

But isn't SpaceX money coming mostly from the government anyway? So still your pockets getting emptied, only over two extra hoops which each take their share as well. All this to bring the magic solution called software engineering because we all know how software consultants always save the business.

No it isn't. Most of their revenue comes from starlink and rocket launch services that they sell in open markets.

Significant improvement in cost and capabilities over competition that enabled SpaceX to capture so much of the market has massively driven prices down and certainly saved taxpayers a lot of money for the services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_launch_market_competitio...

SpaceX does get government grants of course like most companies. It's by far not most of their revenue though, and generally competitively available and tied to particular goals. Investing and supporting in high tech, high value industries like this is often a good thing and returns more than cost to the country, as it certainly has with SpaceX. So it's the opposite of pockets getting emptied.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#92
post #53

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Wait. So with a straight face, you're telling me that Musk - a non-elected billinaire - firing people who are investigating his companies, are totally fine?

Trump won in big part because he said he was going to bring Elon in to fix the government. Just because you don't like Trump and Elon doesn't mean that democracy isn't working as intended. Yes the people who were suing SpaceX for not hiring enough immigrants while SpaceX was also required to hire US citizens should be fired. This is what we voted for. If you don't like it you should support a candidate that doesn't f…

Trump won in big part because the Democratic Party a) pretended that all was well with Joe Biden, b) swapped in Kamala Harris when plan a) didn't work. Someday perhaps the Democratic Party will understand that the job of a serious political party is not to inspire (Hillary! Kamala!) but to govern.

Forgot to ask--who is this greatest innovator alive?

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#93
post #31

" Duffy said the team from SpaceX went to Virginia to “get a firsthand look at the current system, learn what air traffic controllers like and dislike about their current tools, and envision how we can make a new, better, modern and safer system.”" I don't understand how anyone can be reasonably against this? They are not going to just overhaul everything overnight, they are going to upgrade the system based on ATC f…

You really don’t understand? They do not what they say they will do. They do not listen. They destroy. They do not take responsibility, they point fingers.

I don't want to have to copy paste my other comment like a bot.

You're clearly not able to think straight because you're too biased.

Space X has about a dozen different military, security and space contracts with the US gov, at least 7 of them under Biden.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#94
I don't know about the crossover of technical expertise, but this smells like the perfect hedge against the possibility that Congress gets the cajones to defund anything Musk is involved with. You get your funding involved/intertwined with public safety issues, and voila, funding requests are fast tracked.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#95
post #41

From another continent, genuinely curious about Trump voters on this: - Does anyone here at HN stand for this action? - If so, do you think there's a conflict of interest? How do stand on this possible conflict?

If you just look at this part: > ...look at the current system, learn what air traffic controllers like and dislike about their current tools, and envision how we can make a new, better, modern and safer system. Do you think there is anything wrong?

In isolation, no - but this is not about an isolated topic: a transparent public call to tender, with due process, would be necessary if a government wanted to overhaul their ATC systems.

I personally view the action of giving a task to a company (SpaceX) that is legally under the oversight of the regulator (FAA) whose inner systems are to be overhauled - without contest - as problematic.

But maybe that's just cultural...

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#96

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So in other words, you don't really know.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150904-how-spacex-and-b...

none of this has anything to do with air traffic control. and it's about NASA's agreement with contractors like SpaceX, not SpaceX's relationship with the FAA.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#97

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If things felt corrupt before, why not improve the processes? Why keep doing the same but with the companies the administration in turn likes the best?

Removing the process is the improvement. This is what we voted for. Less processes not more and actual results. Ask ChatGPT to compare and contrast Kamala Harris's effectiveness as "broadband Tzar" as compared to SpaceX Starlink.

Less process creates transparency gaps which become opportunities for more corruption.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#98
post #22

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> Just feels like corruption, tbh. If a democrat did this, it would (rightly!) be seen as a front-page scandal on the scale of Teapot Dome if not worse.

...it's literally seen as a front-page scandal on HN and the linked source though.

Where is the outrage from the one group that can actually do anything about this: Republican members of congress and Republican senators?

There's already been a handful of impeachment-level events, such as the blatant quid pro quo of the Adams corruption charges dismissal which resulted in a series of DoJ resignations reminiscent of the Saturday Night Massacre. You know, a critical event that shifted public and Republican opinion of Nixon, leading to his resignation under the threat of impeachment.

Democratic congresspeople and senators can't do much without at least some of their Republican colleagues standing up to the bullies currently running the party.

And no, Susan Collins' inevitable but ineffectual "concerns" isn't the kind of outrage I mean.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#99
post #53

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Wait. So with a straight face, you're telling me that Musk - a non-elected billinaire - firing people who are investigating his companies, are totally fine?

Trump won in big part because he said he was going to bring Elon in to fix the government. Just because you don't like Trump and Elon doesn't mean that democracy isn't working as intended. Yes the people who were suing SpaceX for not hiring enough immigrants while SpaceX was also required to hire US citizens should be fired. This is what we voted for. If you don't like it you should support a candidate that doesn't f…

Trump won because he has lied and manipulated a population of idiots. They have managed to create a situation where they can say whatever they want and still get support.

That much is clear to everyone outside of the US. And we don't want any more of your culture over here thank you very much.

No one is debating whether or not increasing efficiency or reducing government is a good or bad thing. It is the way it's being done we take issue with. It's as close to 1930's Germany as you can imagine.

Re: A SpaceX team is being brought in to overhaul FAA's air traffic control system

#100

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article didn't they they got the project and any project would take months/years even with the best and brightest on the project > get a firsthand look at the current system, learn what air traffic controllers like and dislike about their current tools, and envision how we can make a new, better, modern and safer system based on this they can come in to scope out a project and send it out for bidding

where have they indicated that they will open this up for bidding?

An article 3 months from now...

"According to Musk, the efficiencies gained by leveraging the exposure of the assessment team make SpaceX the only viable vendor. 'A bidding process to select the only possible applicant would be silly.'"

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