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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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They will open-source Grok 2 when Grok 3 comes out. Also it seems like it will be paywalled - disappointing considering DeepSeek-R1 is free and open source.

Yeah not sure what profit these guys think they'll be able to squeeze out of these models with open source and free clearly being 95% as good

Having the keys to the treasury department will probably help.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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I didn't know about this. But I asked it if Elon Musk and DOGE randomly firing as many government workers as they can from all federal departments might be dangerous to Americans and it was pretty honest that yeah, it could be.

Tweet this @musk and he’ll make sure grok jumps in line.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a close friend working in core research teams there. Based on our chats, the secret seems to be (1) massive compute power (2) ridiculous pay to attract top talents from established teams (3) extremelly hard work without big corp bureaucracy.

It was mentioned during the launch that current datacenter requires up to 0.25 gigawatts of power. The datacenter they're currently building will require 1.25 (5x) (for reference, a nuclear powerplant might output about 1 gigawatt). Will be interesting to see if the relationship between power/compute/parameters and performance is exponential, logarithmic or something more linear.

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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a close friend working in core research teams there. Based on our chats, the secret seems to be (1) massive compute power (2) ridiculous pay to attract top talents from established teams (3) extremelly hard work without big corp bureaucracy.

It was mentioned during the launch that current datacenter requires up to 0.25 gigawatts of power. The datacenter they're currently building will require 1.25 (5x) (for reference, a nuclear powerplant might output about 1 gigawatt). Will be interesting to see if the relationship between power/compute/parameters and performance is exponential, logarithmic or something more linear.

It's logarithmic. Meaning you scale compute exponentially to get linearly better models. However there is a big premium in having the best model because of low switching costs of workloads, creating all sorts of interesting threshold effects.

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Elon just said they are launching an AI game studio. Does this mean they will be building games that are mostly built with AI, or will they make AI tooling available for anyone to build games easily? Probably the former, but it would be nice if they would make it fully available to everyone.

It seemed to me that he was joking.

He's not joking, and it's not the first time it was announced.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#96

Companies have hijacked the open source concept to mean downloadable blob and we follow them as I see in the comments. It’s a real shame.

Better a downloadable blob than a non-downloadable one

Cool, that’s not open source though.

That’s like a chef giving you chicken instead of beef and calling it vegetarian.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Because running a company is different to running a state and we doubt his intentions, not his skills.

Someone that is not elected gets 8mill/day from the government now overseas the government with some 20-year old fanatics that can’t even put up a secure website for DOGE?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Elon just said they are launching an AI game studio. Does this mean they will be building games that are mostly built with AI, or will they make AI tooling available for anyone to build games easily? Probably the former, but it would be nice if they would make it fully available to everyone.

Regardless of which it is, we can assume it'll be here after Tesla's full autopilot that he promised as well as the Mars colonies.

Full self driving exists, as well as starship.

So I take it you mean “imminently”.

Like him or loathe him, he executes, which is more than can be said for most.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Grok has gotten to the top of one benchmark: https://x.com/lmarena_ai/status/1891706264800936307 It's been said before but it is great news for consumers that there's so much competition in the LLM space. If it's hard for any one player to get daylight between them & the 2nd best alternative, hopefully that means one monopolistic firm isn't going to be sucking up all the value created by these things

I think it's already clear that these are going to be commoditized and the free / open source versions will be good enough to capture enough of the value that the remaining players will not be Facebook-level monopolies on the space

the IP rights holders have yet to bare their teeth. I don't think the outcome you suggest is clear at all, in fact I think if anything entirely the opposite is the most probable outcome. I've lost count of the number of technology epochs that at the time were either silently or explicitly dependent on ignoring the warez aspects while being blinded by the possibilities, Internet video, music and film all went through this phase. GPTs are just a new medium, and by the end of it royalties will in all likelihood still end up being paid to roughly the same set of folk as before

I quite like the idea of a future where the AI job holocaust largely never happened because license costs ate up most of the innovation benefit. It's just the kind of regressive greed that keeps the world ticking along and wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with something very close to this

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