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Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by scubbo »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #82
jppope wrote: post #46

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Language evolves. Capitalization is an artifact of a period where capitalizing the first letter made a lot of sense for the medium (parchment/paper). Modern culture is abandoning it for speed efficiency on keyboards or digital keyboards. A purist would say that we should still be using all capitals like they did in Greek/Latin which again was related to the medium. I'll likely continue using Capitalization as a prefe…

> we use it to express conventions in programming Interestingly programming is the one place where I ditch it almost entirely (at least in my personal code bases).

Be thankful you haven't encountered the clusterfuck that is the Go Language :P

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by jiggawatts »

albedoa wrote: post #86
llm_nerd wrote: post #52

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>Sam is just one of the few large company CEOs to tweet in the style other Twitter users usually use. Just looked at the algorithmic feed on Twitter to makes sure trends haven't shifted overnight, and zero people in that sample of hundreds of tweets used all lower case in the tweets. Not in science. Not in AI. Not in maths or politics or entertainment or media. Sam is trying to bE dIFFERENT. He isn't adopting a norm…

> Not in science. Not in AI. Not in maths or politics or entertainment or media. That is the professional Twitter class and is not at all representative of the norm. Click through to the replies. Sentence case is probably in the vast minority. I promise you that it is neither a fad nor started with the AI bro.

Black turtlenecks existed before Steve Jobs wore them.

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by albedoa »

jiggawatts wrote: post #92
albedoa wrote: post #86

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> Not in science. Not in AI. Not in maths or politics or entertainment or media. That is the professional Twitter class and is not at all representative of the norm. Click through to the replies. Sentence case is probably in the vast minority. I promise you that it is neither a fad nor started with the AI bro.

Black turtlenecks existed before Steve Jobs wore them.

Nobody is arguing that Sam Altman doesn't type in lowercase or that Steve Jobs didn't wear black turtlenecks.

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by agalunar »

nomel wrote: post #79
recursive wrote: post #63

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> There is no such thing as "two spaces" in HTML, so good luck with that. Code point 160 followed by 32. In other words `  ` will do it.

There's: U+3000, ideographic space. It's conceptually fitting, with sentence separation being a good fit for "idea separation". edit: well I tried to give an example, but hn seems to replace it with regular space. Here's a copy paste version: https://unicode-explorer.com/c/3000

Belying the name somewhat, I believe U+3000 is specifically meant for use with Sinoform logographs, having the size of a (fullwidth character) cell, and so it makes little sense in other contexts.

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by Izkata »

bowsamic wrote: post #89
meowface wrote: post #70

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I and everyone I know turns it off. On many platforms and in many cultures, capitalization often implies Solemness or even rudeness in 1-on-1 conversations, and otherwise comes across as being out of touch in other kinds of communication.

I’ve never encountered anyone turning it off. I avoid socialising with people who think it’s rude to use capitalisation.

It's not directly rude, it's more like a serious tone of voice. But it only works like that when used unnecessarily, like in chat or IM where the message boundary styling doubles as a sentence boundary.

Using the chat/IM style outside of that context just doesn't work and looks really odd, like it's obviously someone who didn't learn those norms and is now mimicking them without understanding them.

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by MrMcCall »

treetalker wrote: post #60
1dom wrote: post #29

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I agree. I'm all for Graham's pyramid of disagreement: we should focus on the core argument, rather than superfluous things like tone, or character, or capitalisation. But this is too much for me personally. I just realised I consider the complete lack of capitalisation on a piece of public intellectual work to be obnoxious. Sorry, it's impractical, distracting and generates unnecessary cognitive load for everyone el…

Graham's Hierarchy, in "How to Disagree": https://paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Yeah, people should wake up to what people are really saying.

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

andai wrote: post #50
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #38

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> It's a fad associated with AI, popularised by Sam Altman especially. I know this is true but does anyone understand why they do it? It is actually cognitively disruptive when reading content because many of us are trained to simultaneously proof read while reading. So I also consider it a type of cognitive attack vector and it annoys me extremely as well.

>So I also consider it a type of cognitive attack vector What does this mean?

I mean it seems very intentional and a passive aggressive technique to make the read feel disoriented while reading the content.

I can literally feel it assaulting my reading speed.

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by jgalt212 »

roger_ wrote: post #27

An aside: please use proper capitalization. With this article I found myself backtracking thinking I’d missed a word, which was very annoying. Not sure what the authors intention was with that decision but please reconsider.

I think he knows he did something non-standard, as his previous post from seven weeks ago has correct capitalization.

https://kyunghyuncho.me/bye-felix/

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

meowface wrote: post #70
bowsamic wrote: post #48

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> since the extra effort to hit shift when typing on a phone keyboard is a bit higher, and the additional effort to go back and fix any typos that happen due to trying to capitalize things is also higher compared to using a traditional keyboard I'm a bit confused about this. Do people turn off auto capitalisation on their phones? I very rarely have to press shift on my phone

I and everyone I know turns it off. On many platforms and in many cultures, capitalization often implies Solemness or even rudeness in 1-on-1 conversations, and otherwise comes across as being out of touch in other kinds of communication.

Wow then I guess everyone finds me very rude. I capitalize, use correct grammar and spelling to the best of my ability in text messages just like any written communication. I find it rude when people don’t as I interpret it as they don’t even care enough about our communication to take the small effort to make their writing easy to comprehend and understand!

Re: Softmax forever, or why I like softmax

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Post by nomel »

agalunar wrote: post #94
nomel wrote: post #79

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There's: U+3000, ideographic space. It's conceptually fitting, with sentence separation being a good fit for "idea separation". edit: well I tried to give an example, but hn seems to replace it with regular space. Here's a copy paste version: https://unicode-explorer.com/c/3000

Belying the name somewhat, I believe U+3000 is specifically meant for use with Sinoform logographs, having the size of a (fullwidth character) cell, and so it makes little sense in other contexts.

The extended horizontal size is the only goal here. The dimensions for a sinoform is still related to pt size, so the relative spacing, compared to chr(32), at the same pt size, is reasonably larger.

But...the vertical dimensions don't scale so well, at least in my browser. It causes a slight downward shift.

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