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USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by bluefirebrand »

mplanchard wrote: post #68
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I think for a lot of people, "Stop sending tons of our tax money to other countries" is a step to repair some of that trust with the population Yes, bingo. On both sides, people have become extremely sick of seeing "billions of dollars sent to X" in the news knowing that we, American citizens, will never receive anything like that amount of aid

> we, American citizens, will never receive anything like that amount of aid 21% of the federal budget goes to Social Security (aid) 16% goes to medicare (aid) 10% goes to other health spending (probably at least partially aid -- edit: further research shows that of this, around 90% is some kind of aid) 7% goes to income security (aid) 4% goes to veteran services (aid) 3% goes to education, training, employment, and…

1% is small in terms of the national budget but massive in terms of the average American

If the argument is "it's not that much money and it wouldn't help Americans much" then can't people also turn that on it's head? "It's not that much money, so it's not actually doing much real good overseas either"

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by throwway120385 »

janeroe wrote: post #85
throwway120385 wrote: post #34

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Because we get a lot of travelers through our country who may otherwise spread TB here if we made no effort to control it outside of the country, and it would be a huge public health problem for us despite the fact that treatment for it is readily available in our country. If we're going to do this we should probably institute some kind of health screening during the immigration process at entry points.

> Because we get a lot of travelers through our country who may otherwise spread TB here if we made no effort to control it outside of the country A dozen of vaccines and a proof (from the doctors certified by the US officials) that you have no contagious diseases (including TB) is a prerequisite to get any US visa. The only way to bring TB to the US, I presume, is to jump over the fence at the border.

Or to contract it on your way to the US through one of the many stops you will make along the way.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by throwway120385 »

jghn wrote: post #72
sharemywin wrote: post #44

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I know farmers hate it with all those billions of $ in extra cash from selling food that was going to waste anyway. I'm sure the rural communities will hate it too when all that money isn't going to the love communities either.

They're already whining about it [1]. All that'll wind up happening is some sort of shell game and we'll still be subsidizing the midwest red voters. [1] https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/politics/government/2025...

But this time only the red voters.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by yostrovs »

StackRanker3000 wrote: post #75
mplanchard wrote: post #63

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TB is vastly underestimated here in the US where we have largely eliminated it, but it is indeed the deadliest infectious disease known to man. It killed 1.25 million people in 2023. https://www.pih.org/article/tb-deadliest-infectious-disease-... https://www.who.int/news/item/29-10-2024-tuberculosis-resurg...

This is nitpicking, but I guess which disease bears the title depends on how you define it. I remember seeing some estimate that malaria has killed ~40% of all humans that have ever lived.

Rabies has a nearly 100% kill rate. It's just rare that someone does get infected.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by bryanlarsen »

janeroe wrote: post #79
BobaFloutist wrote: post #47

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Because we already volunteered to do this specific thing, so it's incredibly disruptive for us to back out at (or well after) the last minute. Other countries do other things, and it would be similarly disruptive if they pulled or froze funding and operational support with 0 notice. It'd be like if Microsoft donated free copies of Windows to a hospital and then one day was like "Actually we've been donating too much…

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The "taxation is theft" right wing talking line is about as intellectually honest as the "property is theft" left wing talking line.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by r00fus »

EA-3167 wrote: post #25
lasc4r wrote: post #21

I think the goal is to destroy US soft power on the way to undermining the rule of law and destroying what passes for a rules-based international order. Once that's done they can really get busy stamping out democracy.

I don't think USAID is the core of US soft power, Hollywood is. Our tech industry is. Our food and our language and the way our culture seeps into everything is. If USAID and aid to places in much of Africa was our soft power, I'd expect to see a lot less pivoting to China and Russia in those places. On that note, perhaps the countries that decided to invite Wagner or enter the Chinese BRI can ask their new friends f…

USAID is the vehicle to paying news/entertainment industry.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by bryanlarsen »

normalaccess wrote: post #81
BobaFloutist wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we already volunteered to do this specific thing, so it's incredibly disruptive for us to back out at (or well after) the last minute. Other countries do other things, and it would be similarly disruptive if they pulled or froze funding and operational support with 0 notice. It'd be like if Microsoft donated free copies of Windows to a hospital and then one day was like "Actually we've been donating too much…

It's always a shame when people get used to free things because they lose the ability to provide for themselves. I say we stop so other countries can spin up their own programs and pay for it. I have zero interest in using TAX dollars to fund medical programs outside the US.

Stopping HIV & drug-resistant TB outside of the US borders directly benefits Americans.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by yibg »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #53
yibg wrote: post #9

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Seems to be consistent with Musk's MO. Cut first then (maybe) measure.

Cut twice, measure once?

Or just cut, call it good and move on.

Anyone that actually does measure later and tells him his cut was off is just part of the radical left, fake media and woke mob.

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #62
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #39

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Sure, but that was only a personal opinion tangent and not the core of my argument which still stands. That's like the safari guide telling you to stay in the vehicle because the Bengali tigers outside will maul you and you go "Ackshually, those are Siberian Tigers, not Bengali." While you're technically correct, it doesn't change the point.

Trust isn't a binary. If everybody trusted all of their neighbors as much as South Korea trusts North Korea then the world economy would collapse and we'd likely have billions of deaths.

It isn't binary but clever countries with a strong defense policy like the US and Switzerland also have insurance polices and backup plans for the case their allies turn against them since it's better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. Guess in which case Europe is a the moment?

Re: USAID funding freeze disrupts global tuberculosis control efforts

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Post by stogot »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #95
janeroe wrote: post #79

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The "taxation is theft" right wing talking line is about as intellectually honest as the "property is theft" left wing talking line.

Not really. Forceful taxation (by jail) to redistribute the money to states or national security is a boring topic, but redistribution of wealth to ‘for n in NATIONS’ is worth an intellectual challenge.

And even if you don’t care about taxation, why is the US running this entity and not supprting an international donation match to the UN? The US is running a deficit if you haven’t noticed, not a surplus.

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