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Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by mjburgess »

bobchadwick wrote: post #65
mjburgess wrote: post #20

The security and intelligence apparatus made bet big that they could prevent a second trump election, after quite successfully destabilising the first -- they failed. And now the very system of unaccountable executive power which has been built up, is now being used against the executive itself. This makes me increasingly concerned for a similar turn of events in the UK (ie., given the many actions of the UK state to…

Was that executive power really accrued as a result of a resistance to Trump during his first term? My understanding is that the executive branch has been exerting more power for while now, regardless of who has been in office. And does it really matter? The authority for doing many of the things Trump's current admin is doing don't actually fall to the executive branch; they're doing them anyway.

Well it's more initially as a response to the internet (as an uncontrolled media landscape) and so-called "hybrid warfare" -- but it was deployed against trump, and increasingly so-called "far-right populism" against which it was "necessary" to deploy the full resources of the executive to "preserve democracy" (claims I don't entirely disagree with, but tactics which are nevertheless unconstitutional).

Consider that Wikipedia lists the Biden connection to ukraine as a "conspiracy theory" but the trump connection to Russia as "Links between Trump associates and Russian officials" (there is no Trump connection to Russia, this was an invention of the security services; and there are as many "Links" between Biden associates and Ukraine -- but, as with trump, there is no Joe Biden-Ukraine link).

Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by mytailorisrich »

lenerdenator wrote: post #12
martin_a wrote: post #5

As a European this is just so terrifying and fascinating to watch at the same time. I really wonder (and hope for the best) what comes out of all this. With Trump and Musk and this agency that isn't one and all the presidential orders. Will we look at this some time later and think "well, that was really stupid, do not try again" or will the world burn down over this? Crazy times.

We'll look back on it as we do all of the other times people got away with things they shouldn't have gotten away with while holding the power of the state. I'll also add that there are absolutely people in Europe who aspire to see this kind of thing happen there, and that in some cases, it already has. See: Orban, Brexit, Le Pen, AfD, etc... and that of course doesn't touch on what happens in less-Western European c…

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Re: DOGE staffer is trying to reroute FEMA funds

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Post by diggan »

pubby wrote: post #74
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there anything we can do? Keep durable notes and share them with your electeds. Particularly at the state level. These kids won’t be prosecuted immediately, possibly never federally. But their actions will need to be systematically undone at the federal level and individually prosecuted at the state and/or local levels. This is going to be a massive bureaucratic and legal undertaking, and we’ll need record prese…

Keep in mind that the ruling party has massively powerful surveillance systems at their fingertips. It's hard to say how things will unfold, but being a dissident may not be in one's best interest.

> being a dissident may not be in one's best interest.

I agree, if you're not a fan of democracy, you might not want to be a dissident in the current American environment. If you are, then you most likely want to be a dissident, otherwise it'll slowly disappear before your eyes, and you'll be too late to be able to change it soon.

If you're in the latter camp, learn how to protect and hide yourself rather than becoming apathetic because you're afraid of the consequences.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

pb7 wrote: post #67
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The checks and balances assumed the entire country didn't vote the exact same people into majorities in all 3 branches

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Not sure what "this" is that the "majority" of the country wants, but, be careful what you wish for.

The fact that the majority of the country is apparently okay with violent and coercive attempts to overturn democratic elections (in other democratic countries we call that an attempted coup), is a strong indictment of the majority of Americans. But, to your credit, at least you're owning your fascist tendencies!

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Post by _Algernon_ »

tyleo wrote: post #8

Is there anything we can do? I don’t mean to ask that and imply that there is nothing. I mean it as an honest question. Is there a process or organization to snap into right now to help?

Isn't this what you guys have the second amendment for? To secure a free state?

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

dannyr wrote: post #59
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there anything we can do? Keep durable notes and share them with your electeds. Particularly at the state level. These kids won’t be prosecuted immediately, possibly never federally. But their actions will need to be systematically undone at the federal level and individually prosecuted at the state and/or local levels. This is going to be a massive bureaucratic and legal undertaking, and we’ll need record prese…

How will local/state prosecute it? The crimes are on the federal level and pretty sure they'll receive pardons.

I think maybe the user is implying that a civil war will break out. I started reading about the original American Civil War after recent events. The lead up to that was protracted. As long as some states begin assembling militias now and unify, it's probable they will be able to mount an attack against the Federal government as happened back then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_...

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

luxuryballs wrote: post #57
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so you're not just asking for other articles around this, you're asking for a journalist to see your hacker news comment and provide you sources?

hey it doesn’t hurt to ask

That's true, but it's an interest tactic to ask for the news to come to them.

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Post by duxup »

ketlag wrote: post #70

Why does everything D0G3 get flagged?

Yeah it's a pattern for sure. Lotta folks seem to not want other people to talk about this kind of thing. Same goes for most other Trump administration articles.

I get not wanting to read it, but that's not what flagging is for IMO...

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