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Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by somenameforme »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #89
somenameforme wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there as many "Trump supporters" as one might think. His plan to defacto take ownership of Gaza or to relocate Gazans is overwhelmingly negatively received. So that's pretty clear that people are forming views based on actions, rather than a cult of personality or party. And on that, I do support these actions - but in both directions oddly. From an earlier post in this thread somebody linked to some ex…

So to focus on the main question of what trump supporters think about this stuff: it's pretty much what you wanted and you're happy with it.

Well I do wish Trump's staff was preserving the sites themselves. It seems logical in the internet era that the complete history of federal sites should be permanently archived.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by tlogan »

enaaem wrote: post #53

What do Trump supporters here think of this?

Trump supporters are mostly quiet on this topic. If anyone speaks up, they tend to get downvoted.

I’m not a Trump supporter but try to be intellectually honest. A while ago, I posted that Atlas Plus would be back, and now it is [1], but I was heavily downvoted for saying so [2].

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/about/atlasplus.html#cdc_generic...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42897696#42898819

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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somenameforme wrote: post #91
giraffe_lady wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So to focus on the main question of what trump supporters think about this stuff: it's pretty much what you wanted and you're happy with it.

Well I do wish Trump's staff was preserving the sites themselves. It seems logical in the internet era that the complete history of federal sites should be permanently archived.

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Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by tlogan »

misja111 wrote: post #33

Does anybody have an example of federal data that has disappeared already? I'm interested what kind of data it's about.

As far as I know, all data related to “gender” (in addition to sex), “sexual orientation,” and race has been removed. Some of this data will return in a revised form, but unfortunately, some will remain excluded due to Trump’s executive orders against DEI and transgender-related policies.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by ocuild »

n4r9 wrote: post #84
ocuild wrote: post #78

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Back in the 60s homosexuals were insisting that their sexuality was legitimate and demanding that everyone else accommodate this belief. Many at the time viewed it as a false belief contrary to biological law. That was wrong then, and this is wrong now.

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Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by exe34 »

ocuild wrote: post #95
n4r9 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the 60s homosexuals were insisting that their sexuality was legitimate and demanding that everyone else accommodate this belief. Many at the time viewed it as a false belief contrary to biological law. That was wrong then, and this is wrong now.

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I've met plenty of trans men and women that I wouldn't have known they were trans if they didn't tell me. What kind of effort are you thinking about in this case?

What about the women who are really butch? Or the effeminate men? Would you want them excluded too, or would a genital inspection be considered sufficient to qualify them?

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by ocuild »

exe34 wrote: post #96
ocuild wrote: post #95

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I've met plenty of trans men and women that I wouldn't have known they were trans if they didn't tell me. What kind of effort are you thinking about in this case? What about the women who are really butch? Or the effeminate men? Would you want them excluded too, or would a genital inspection be considered sufficient to qualify them?

The broadest one is that new definitions of woman and man have been imposed which not just accommodate people who sometimes manage to successfully masquerade as the opposite sex (like some of the people you've met) but the ones who do not do so at all. According to these new definitions, merely stating that you're a woman or man (or somehow, neither) is enough to make it real.

This has been used to rewrite law and policy so that any man who claims he's a woman can, with impunity, impose himself upon spaces that were only ever intended for women and girls.

That's a huge change and has significant impact on the female half of the population, wouldn't you agree?

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by anon291 »

diggan wrote: post #34
misja111 wrote: post #33

Does anybody have an example of federal data that has disappeared already? I'm interested what kind of data it's about.

Examples: > At the Department of Justice, a database detailing the vast array of criminal charges and successful convictions of January 6 rioters was removed, according to a report from Donie O’Sullivan and Katelyn Polantz at CNN > Several pages on the Center for Disease Control have also been removed, including information on LGBTQ+ rights, HIV and adolescent health, reports Will Stone and Selena Simmons-Duffin from…

> At the Department of Justice, a database detailing the vast array of criminal charges and successful convictions of January 6 rioters was removed, according to a report from Donie O’Sullivan and Katelyn Polantz at CNN

Like it or hate it, they're all pardoned now and don't have a criminal record.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by anon291 »

bloomingkales wrote: post #26
walrus01 wrote: post #10

They already deleted the main USAID YouTube channel, likely so news media can't easily pull any public domain footage of projects in various developing nations.

Found one for ya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcla7WoWIpQ The USAID Office of Transition Initiatives (USAID/OTI) began its program in Haiti in January 2010 as part of the post-earthquake response, supporting short- and medium-term activities aimed at stabilizing Haiti through support for community revitalization, improved governance, and economic strengthening.

USAID, the UN, and these other NGOs often make life worse in the receiving country. This is very hard for Americans to grasp because we're so charitable individually and thus feel our nation should be as well, but these NGOs interests are not aligned with the average American and they're certainly not aligned with the receiving country's. One need only look at the stability of recipients of USAID money v those countries that have refused.

Charity is great but when it comes from NGOs demanding cultural subjugation to American culture and restrictions on how the money works, this leads to resentment, instability and war.

Of course, most Americans would probably not just want to hand out money willy-nilly without any restrictions.

Thus, in my opinion, the entire premise of USAID is flawed, save for a select few endeavors to a small cadre of countries.

The entire diplomatic purpose of USAID is to build up good will abroad, but that's simply not working. No amount of money handed to whomever is going to change the fact that, within recent history, America has undertaken several pre-emptive wars and managed them poorly.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by troyvit »

anon291 wrote: post #99
bloomingkales wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Found one for ya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcla7WoWIpQ The USAID Office of Transition Initiatives (USAID/OTI) began its program in Haiti in January 2010 as part of the post-earthquake response, supporting short- and medium-term activities aimed at stabilizing Haiti through support for community revitalization, improved governance, and economic strengthening.

USAID, the UN, and these other NGOs often make life worse in the receiving country. This is very hard for Americans to grasp because we're so charitable individually and thus feel our nation should be as well, but these NGOs interests are not aligned with the average American and they're certainly not aligned with the receiving country's. One need only look at the stability of recipients of USAID money v those countr…

I've heard lots of bad about USAID from people directly involved in it too. I've heard lots of good as well fwiw, and your points about NGOs demanding cultural subjugation to American culture can't be more spot-on. It's incredibly difficult to provide assistance without actually creating more harm.

IOW I probably agree that the premise of USAID is flawed. However wiping it off the face of the earth over a matter of days is a massive over-reaction to the problem and is going to kill people short-term that didn't need to be killed if we had decided to take a deliberate approach to dismantling it.

> The entire diplomatic purpose of USAID is to build up good will abroad, but that's simply not working. No amount of money handed to whomever is going to change the fact that, within recent history, America has undertaken several pre-emptive wars and managed them poorly.

That is just so damn true. We do such a fantastic job of creating enemies of America.

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