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Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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They also call out how it's more used for augmentation rather than full automation which will address some concerns the public has.

Tools empower those with knowledge further than those without knowledge. The fact that people were concerned layman were simply going to be able to take on experienced programmers at their day jobs was farcical.

I'm not a dev but I thought the issue from a senior dev perspective was AI on AI, not layman on AI?

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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This more or less confirms what I imagine most of us thought, AI is mostly used by engineers, or for engineering tasks. Makes sense, I wonder how much traffic comes from automated tasks (co-pilot, etc). Every time I read a report like this I do wonder if we'll ever see an ROI on LLMs. HUNDREDS of billions of dollars of spend, and 3 years in its still primarily the same crowd using it, and has yet to create a "killer" app beyond ChatGPT and Co-Pilot style IDE's. And its not like people aren't trying! Look at the recent YC batches, its all AI-for-industry. Idk man, I fear the economic reality on the backside of this kind of spend.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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Incredible how low usage is among lawyers. Does anyone have any intuition on why?

Part of it is selection bias, Claude is much less general-audiences than ChatGPT. But any lawyers using LLMs in 2025 deserve to be disbarred: "A Major Law Firm's ChatGPT Fail" https://davidlat.substack.com/p/morgan-and-morgan-order-to-s... "Lawyer cites six cases made up by ChatGPT" https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/lawyer-cited-6-f... "AI 'hallucinations' by ChatGPT end up costing B.C. lawyer" https://www.…

no - some Judge wrote to his family member recently.. " I am seeing all these great briefs now " followed by a novice discussion of AI use. This is anecdotal (recent), but it says to me that non-lawyers, with care, are writing their own legal papers across the USA and doing it well. This fits with other anecdotes here in coastal California for ordinary law uses.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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Awesome that there are releasing this paper and the associated data. I hope they'll do this regularly, so that changes can be tracked. One thing I hope they'll correct going forward is inclusion of API usage. Anecdotally, I only use Anthropic models via Cursor. So none of that usage shows up in here. I'd expect that specialized tools/interfaces like Cursor will grow and thus more usage will shift to API. It would be…

Tools like cursor have to be huge chunk of their traffic. I mean Cursor and Sonnet are like two peas in a pod.

Even if they don’t train on the data they could break it down by user agent / API client ID and infer something about cursor traffic.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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Coffee for $5? That's a steal in this economy!

The coffee is made with the assistance of AI, which means some nonzero portion will be something other than coffee, but at least it means every sip is an adventure.

This is one of the funniest takes on ai I've read, it could've been out of a videogame like the outer worlds with its absurd takes on crapitalism

It's not the best choice, it's spacer's choice!

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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This more or less confirms what I imagine most of us thought, AI is mostly used by engineers, or for engineering tasks. Makes sense, I wonder how much traffic comes from automated tasks (co-pilot, etc). Every time I read a report like this I do wonder if we'll ever see an ROI on LLMs. HUNDREDS of billions of dollars of spend, and 3 years in its still primarily the same crowd using it, and has yet to create a "killer"…

We’re trying to use it for industrial apps. Been over a year of R&D. Some good but often mixed results. Adherence to prompts is a big issue for us. It’s most useful not as a chatbot but to give explained descriptions of what the user is seeing, so they don’t need to dig down into 20 graphs and past history. That necessitates being able to refer to things with URIs which works 95% of the time but the 5% is killer since it’s difficult to detect issues and leads to dead links.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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Seems like Anthropic has too much money on their hands and are looking for ways to spend it. It’s surprising to see lean AI startups accumulate fat so quickly. Usually this sort of wheel spinning is reserved for large corporations. And it’s not just them. To me this trend screams “valuations are too high”, and maybe hints at “progress might start to stagnate soon”.

They only have like 500 employees. And you could argue this is part of their stated mission.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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This more or less confirms what I imagine most of us thought, AI is mostly used by engineers, or for engineering tasks. Makes sense, I wonder how much traffic comes from automated tasks (co-pilot, etc). Every time I read a report like this I do wonder if we'll ever see an ROI on LLMs. HUNDREDS of billions of dollars of spend, and 3 years in its still primarily the same crowd using it, and has yet to create a "killer"…

We’re trying to use it for industrial apps. Been over a year of R&D. Some good but often mixed results. Adherence to prompts is a big issue for us. It’s most useful not as a chatbot but to give explained descriptions of what the user is seeing, so they don’t need to dig down into 20 graphs and past history. That necessitates being able to refer to things with URIs which works 95% of the time but the 5% is killer sinc…

I tried to build a BIG E2E automation pipeline, along the lines of like, replace a team of 5 with this one simple tasks. And as I was doing it, all I could think was, just use chatgpt. Sure it can't actually automate what you're doing, but it'll get you there 80% as fast as fully-automated, with 90% less risk of error/nonsense at the end. Ironically, this company blocks all LLM websites, they even block GH on their employees' computers.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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post #91
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tools empower those with knowledge further than those without knowledge. The fact that people were concerned layman were simply going to be able to take on experienced programmers at their day jobs was farcical.

I'm not a dev but I thought the issue from a senior dev perspective was AI on AI, not layman on AI?

It seems like you get downvoted, but I think you touch on something important. IMO, right now there are two limitations with AI replacing experienced developers: a) It's not good enough at programming. It sometimes goes down rabbit holes and cannot get out. In other cases it comes up with ridiculously complicated solutions that could be solved much simpler. b) Making assumptions instead of gathering requirements.

I suspect that a) will get better over time. I also suspect that b) can be addressed by a pre-programmed prompt-flow that uses a LLM to gather requirements from a PM and ask probing questions to get a well-defined scope and agree on how edge cases should be handled. It doesn't seem far-fetched that a AI also would be able to call out small requirement changes that might allow for much simpler/faster solutions.

Re: The Anthropic Economic Index

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To what degree can you really trust these data? They obviously have a financial interest in playing with the numbers.

Have you noticed that the numbers are all relative?

Unless they are trying to mislead competitors (who don't look at their own numbers...), they have no reason at all to game those numbers there.

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