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Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by chrislongss »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #67
chrislongss wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a minor detail but reducing or removing alcohol all together (my company) from social events for inclusion reasons is excluding people who like consuming alcohol at social events. We somehow pivoted to embracing restrictions in order to accommodate small groups of people, instead of offering alternatives (e.g. vegan options). This will always irritate other groups of people and is not a sustainable way to imp…

Sure and one answer to that was simply to ensure soft beverage availability in addition to alcohol. Which was an initiative borne from a DEI program. We’re debating specifics of DEI-relevant initiatives. What I’m saying is these discussions only happen when there is space for DEI consideration

I am not nitpicking and in general am in support of offering more diverse options. However, in my experience I can't remember a single event where soft drinks where not offered in additional to alcohol: pre DEI or during the DEI era.

As a vegetarian, I really struggled finding good non-meat options though.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by rvz »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #65
rvz wrote: post #59

About time and no more easy rides or passes for anyone. Everyone equally gets the brutal Leetcode hards treatment. Either you pass the threshold or you don't. No excuses.

Where have DEI initiatives lowered standards of hiring at Google? I think you’re making that up! Be specific, don't deflect and shift into general discourse topics. I am not talking about distractions at work, I'm asking about your specific claim that hiring standards were lowered.

> Where have DEI initiatives lowered standards of hiring at Google?

Other than DeepMind, almost everywhere at Google. For Google to be wasting time on useless initiatives instead of remaining competitive against other companies would have made the difference between survival in this AI race ever since their CEO (Sundar) panicked.

It is no wonder many ex-Googlers have lost confidence and left for their competitors who are solely focused on destroying Google after they lost the lead and created an opening.

> I think you’re making that up!

Really.

How exactly is DEI going to save Google in the very deep trouble that they are already in? Losing lots of *key* talent, potential anti-trust breakup, frontier AI companies like OpenAI going after them.

I don't think you are paying close attention. Will more DEI initiatives and hires save Google and stop their own CEO from panicking?

> Be specific, don't deflect and shift into general discourse topics. I am not talking about distractions at work, I'm asking about your specific claim that hiring standards were lowered.

You deflected and did not pay attention. My reply was very specific even after answering your strawman question. My question is very simple:

How is DEI hiring going to save Google right now given all the trouble that they are in?

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by xnx »

goalieca wrote: post #50
paxys wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well we are shutting down the Department of Education...

Since education is a state level responsibility, why not handle it there? We don’t have a federal education ministry in Canada for instance.

Good question. If the US is truly facing a "Sputnik moment" with regards to China nd AI, the US should bring back something like the "National Defense Education Act" (1958) which was aimed at bolstering American competitiveness in science and technology.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by like_any_other »

almostdeadguy wrote: post #88
like_any_other wrote: post #86

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> Why should I trust data I can't verify? Have you tried? Does archive.org have those urls? Are there other reports on those companies' diversity? Have you checked their mandatory government EEO-1 diversity reports [1]? It rather seems that you're nitpicking, looking for an excuse to ignore what by all accounts looks like someone's honest work. Do you have, for these companies, reports suggesting wildly different dem…

Who is actually making the claims here about these companies "achieving diversity"? Me? Do you want me to do your homework? It's quite easy to post specious data to support your specious claims on the internet. Quite easy to generate a desired reaction that way.

You're claiming the data is specious, but you have offered zero evidence to that end, only very shaky speculation. You say some of the links 404 - of the ones that do not, were their numbers significantly different from the table in the article?

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Post by greenchair »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #42

When I came over to the states to go to a tech conference at a NASDAQ listed billion dollar corp that bought us, the only black people I met were either working at the hotels (90% of that staff) or living in the nearby inner city. I don't pretend to understand the USA, and maybe that conference wasn't representative, but to me it was quite shocking that the disparity was so clearly visible. So I think its a bit of a…

when you go to a car repair shop, would it shock you to see 99% males working there?

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Post by greenchair »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #65
rvz wrote: post #59

About time and no more easy rides or passes for anyone. Everyone equally gets the brutal Leetcode hards treatment. Either you pass the threshold or you don't. No excuses.

Where have DEI initiatives lowered standards of hiring at Google? I think you’re making that up! Be specific, don't deflect and shift into general discourse topics. I am not talking about distractions at work, I'm asking about your specific claim that hiring standards were lowered.

how bout the CEO?

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by sheepdestroyer »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #76
leoqa wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the real metric should be childhood household income. That transcends race or gender and universally inhibits the child in almost every measurable way.

On the contrary, targeting childhood household income will see representation of the groups you're trying to help drop to nearly zero. Impoverished white children outscore wealthy black children by a significant margin on standardized tests, and there are a lot more poor white children than poor black children. There used to be programs like that, and they mostly helped the children of Chinese and Vietnamese refugees…

"childhood household income. That transcends race or gender"

vs

"targeting childhood household income will see representation of the groups you're trying to help drop to nearly zero"

Did you misunderstand the point? It seems right that if you want to help poor people, you should target poor people, how could that be counterproductive?

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by cyberax »

sandworm101 wrote: post #49
chrislongss wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a fantastical speculation based on no evidence other than political bias. We do have evidence, though, that candidates had to go through performative hiring practices to prove that they support "diversity".

A friend once said to me "that road doesnt need a speed limit anymore. It hasnt had a fatal accident for many years. And cars are safer now. Dont burden people with stupid restrictions." Evil is patient.

Hi! This is Germany calling! Indeed, Autobahns don't have a speed restriction and are as safe or safer than the US freeways.

Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by [deleted] »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #70

I was recruited through Google's diversity program twice. The first time, what that meant was that they invited their diversity candidates to a small pre-interview preparation session which, oddly enough, didn't bother to touch on what they were looking for in interviews. I took the interviews and was informed that I'd failed them. The second time, I paid for coaching from interviewing.io, and I learned what they wer…

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Re: Google kills diversity hiring targets

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Post by teractiveodular »

skywhopper wrote: post #61
like_any_other wrote: post #13

Well, they've already achieved diversity, haven't they? Whites were already under-represented at Google (and at 18/23 tech companies) back in 2017 [1]. If they've rolled over for anyone, it was for the Asian lobby, who is over-represented at 23/23 of those tech companies, and now won't be facing DEI pressures to reduce their numbers. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250127210140/https://informati...

Diversity targets are usually built around under-represented groups, not necessarily specific races.

The referenced Google diversity reports spell out the percentages of "Asian+, Black+, Latinx+, Native American+ and White+" (their terms).

https://about.google/belonging/diversity-annual-report/2023/

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