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20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by robomartin »

The idea that government workers cannot be hired and fired at will is wrong.

Government workers should have no more rights than the single mother working at a restaurant or business, or anyone working at any normal business in the US.

I other words, they should not have more rights or protections than the people who pay the taxes that pay for their salaries and benefits.

One of the most fundamental problems in various types of organizations with these types of protections is what I call "human rot". These are people who are lazy and incompetent and who only remain employed because of these protections as opposed to merit, doing a good job and actually making valuable contributions to the organization.

Locally, one of the most disgusting examples I came across is a middle school "science" teacher who is a chiropractor and teaches absolute nonsense and falsehoods to our kids. For example --and this is just one of many-- he has been teaching that the moon does not spin on its axis. Yeah. Beyond that, he is a jerk to the kids and does not allow them to ask questions. He cannot be challenged or fired for any of it. He is protected. And we wonder why our results in education are shit.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by scarface_74 »

Molitor5901 wrote: post #16
kevmo314 wrote: post #4

> The buyout offer entitles federal employees to stop working more or less immediately and continue to be paid through Sept. 30. > The federal workforce's normal attrition rate is about 6% a year, meaning some of those who've taken the buyout may have been planning to leave government service anyway. Wow, talk about an amazing deal if you already happened to be planning on leaving...

I would not leave. Getting into the federal system was hard before, it's going to be near impossible now. For people who are not AI experts, engineers, doctors, etc. the federal government offers pay and benefits unparalleled to anything those same people would find in the private sector. Not to mention the job protections that really don't exist in any other private sector American company.

You act as if the next step isn’t being fired and that the federal government won’t slash benefits.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by scarface_74 »

tombert wrote: post #19
aurareturn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, talk about an amazing deal if you already happened to be planning on leaving... I'm guessing the vast majority who take the deal were already planning to leave? So we're wasting tax payer money giving them 8 months severance when it could have been 0.

I also suspect that there really isn't nearly as much "waste" here as Musk is alleging, so we are going to be forced to re-hire people, while still paying a ton of workers for 8 months of no work. This doesn't seem "efficient" to me, but "efficient" is a word that doesn't actually mean anything without context, which they don't provide.

Re-hire people for what? They don’t want a functioning government

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by throwway120385 »

dgfitz wrote: post #90
bigmattystyles wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds illegal

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Sure, but those same employees also had to stay home not working for months while they were getting their clearances, so clearly that's considered reasonable.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by dcrazy »

dgfitz wrote: post #90
bigmattystyles wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds illegal

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It’s not illegal to pay someone who is frustrated by circumstance in performing the duties of their government job.

It’s possibly illegal to pay someone for a government job that doesn’t exist anymore.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

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Post by cogman10 »

bobthepanda wrote: post #69
csa wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it a given there would be a budget impasse, if all institutions of power are held by Republicans? I’m not an expert on this topic, so please take these comments with a grain of salt: 1. The simplest way a budget impasse could start is with internal feuding within the Republican Party. Some Republicans are very aggressive deficit hawks all the time. Some Republicans are only “deficit hawks” when a Democrat is pre…

Also, the last House was wracked with all sorts of deadlock because the Republican majority was only 5 representatives, and having 5 splinter off was incredibly easy. The current House has an even smaller majority of 2 currently, so it's now infinitely more possible for a deadlock to happen.

Exactly this.

2 are nearly guaranteed to break because we have a couple of republicans that always vote no on budget bills because they want massive cuts to everything.

That means either the bill ends up completely destroying federal funding, which risks losing centrist republicans or republicans in tight district races. Or the bill ends up trying to win over a few democrats in similarly contested districts, which risks losing a fair bit of republicans that reject any bills that have democrat votes.

Re: 20k federal workers take "buyout" so far, official says

#100

Post by bigmattystyles »

dgfitz wrote: post #90
bigmattystyles wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds illegal

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That's because of a then ongoing pandemic and making an allowance. That's completely different than just do nothing for 6+ months then quit. If you can't see that, there's no hope for this discussion.
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