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3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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Is it politics free? As in, no left rewrite of the noble savage? Because all those tribes that instant-joined the conquistadors still negate all that "utopia destroyed by evil europeans" story.

Despite being relatively conservative, I don’t think The Rest is History would appeal to someone who thinks any telling of history that doesn’t fit a far-right worldview is “political.” There’s no such thing as politics-free history.

But such a world-view wrapped in tales, eternalizes suffering and does refuse to intervene in toxic cultures stuck? Take the middle east- there where two attempts at a two state solution, and the victims of the story, rejected both, wanting a "final" jew free solution. How does one feel contributing to progress - when reality moves so obviously orthogonal to the stories you tell yourself?

Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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Also great is The Fall of Civilizations' episode about Tenochtitlan [1]. The podcast is the work of a British historian named Paul M. M. Cooper, who's also published a book derived from the podcast. Each episode is really well researched, incorporating recent discoveries rather than uncritically repeating old tropes. No filler, no theatrics, just really well-told history, backed by real sources. Another excellent his…

Is it politics free? As in, no left rewrite of the noble savage? Because all those tribes that instant-joined the conquistadors still negate all that "utopia destroyed by evil europeans" story.

I think the rest is history did a great job of providing a balanced take in their multi part series on Cortez. They didn't shy away from the brutality on either side of the conquest. That is to say, they explored the context for why so many logal groups allied with Cortez, and the critical role of La Malinche as a translator and former Aztec slave.

Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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For anyone interested in what the Americas looked like before and after Columbus, I highly recommend the two books, 1491[1] and 1493[2], by Charles C. Mann. I finish the first one and I'm half way through the second one and really openend my eyes. Great reads! [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/39020.1491?ref=nav_sb_ss... [2] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9862761-1493

Also "The Conquest of New Spain" .. written as a first hand account by a soldier for Cortes. Obviously cruel and exploitative what the conquistadors did, but it's an example how fact can be sometimes more incredible than fiction. How a small band of soldiers got in way over their heads and had to bluff and bully their way through, or would have certainly been killed. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/108490.The_Con…

if you enjoyed that, i very much recommend this work of historical fiction:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/127938747-you-dreamed-of...

Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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Just as Persians, Syrians, Egyptians, etc. were "Arabized", in turn Turks and Mongols were "Persified".

> in turn Turks and Mongols were "Persified". How?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turco-Persian_tradition

Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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The presence of a comprehensive urban plan for all of these cities, with a clear grid subdivided into districts is extremely impressive. By contrast most European cities were organic and unplanned mazes.

When we talk about cities with a grid plan, all the cited examples in sibling comments pale in comparison to Mohenjo-daro. It existed around 2500 BC and one of the iconic places is the Great Bath which is the "earliest public water tank of the ancient world".

Tenochtitlan existed in the 15th century which is fairly recent.

Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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Is it politics free? As in, no left rewrite of the noble savage? Because all those tribes that instant-joined the conquistadors still negate all that "utopia destroyed by evil europeans" story.

I think the rest is history did a great job of providing a balanced take in their multi part series on Cortez. They didn't shy away from the brutality on either side of the conquest. That is to say, they explored the context for why so many logal groups allied with Cortez, and the critical role of La Malinche as a translator and former Aztec slave.

Thanks. Thats the sort of answer that promises really interesting complex reality, without a massaged in moral-message that removes all learnings for today. I shall give it a try.

Re: 3D reconstruction of the capital of the Aztec empire

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They weren’t doing human sacrifices at that time at least.

Is torturing (and the mutilation of a human body and sometimes death as a frequent outcome of the torture process) and burning people at the stake after an auto-da-fé for not believing in someone else’s mythical deity fundamentally different from human sacrifice?

The Inquisition did not exterminate to the level of the Aztecs. Aztecs were sacrificing people by the thousands. Indeed natives were a crucial part in the conquest of the Aztec Empire by the Spaniards.

Some sources:

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p09x1374/the-huge-tower-of-hu...

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/new-find-brings-sk...

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