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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#91

I was thinking the same thing myself - Windows 11 needs 10x more powerful hardware than, say, Win XP, but doesn't noticeably provide any new features. Where's all the processing power going?

> Where's all the processing power going?

Making round corners on window borders. Do you know how many triangles they need for that ? Neither do I. /s

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#92
post #56

I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don't care about TMP, they also don't care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail,…

> I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows!

Yes, if you are a new user, yes. If you happen to have some old programs around - tough luck.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#93
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 ???

Arguably, especially in the 8/10/11 era, few of these features are things that meaningfully enhance the user experience. Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. In the 8 era, a huge number of massive projects were started, promoted, and mothballed.

>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS

So? Linux is still mostly on ext4, and even though there's theoretically zfs/btrfs, most people are still using ext4. Debian installer still only supports ext4. ext4 might be "newer" than NTFS (2006 vs 1993), but that's a purely naming thing. If you map ext2 and ext3 as NTFS versions[1], they have similar age. Moreover from a feature set perspective they're mostly equivalent. Both support journaling and various features like sparse files and resource forks.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#History

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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post #68

Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support. Like, y'all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.

A lack of improvements I could stomach. What bothers me are the regressions! It's getting worse with every update!

Not honoring previous settings, reverting back to whatever is more convenient for Microsoft or trying to push down of our throats Copilot on every single corner might be the most infuriating thing....

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#95
post #56

I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don't care about TMP, they also don't care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail,…

> This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail, browser, print, play games, etc. Without ever thinking why it works.

You're right. I don't think "why it works". I ask myself "why it doesn't work ?". Why suddenly am i not able to tell which element is a label or a button in the UI ? Why is the scrollbar so tiny and hidden, with no possibility (Win95) to make it bigger ? Why, to resize the active window with the mouse, i have to hunt for this 1px border on my HD monitor (you can have any window border in Win95).

Oh, and Edge, new Outlook (you forgot Teams) - truly marvels of engineering. For some reasons an _-'"€€_*€ from MS had the great idea to hide old emails. Who needs access to old emails when the customer comes screeming.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#96
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks Well... yeah? The computer is a tool. If my tool doesn't do what I want it to do, or, by extension, it does things I didn't ask for or need, then it does suck. If my tool suddenly told me that my toolbox needs another, arbitrary tool Y that I don't need (in this case, TPM), then I will look for another brand. The fact that "most users" are ignorant doesn't mean tha…

> " Also, security, as we see every day, is all about backend infrastructure, like telcos not getting hax0red, amirite, and not about home users. After all, in my three decades of computing, 100% of harm to my "computing estate" came from companies being lax with their data in their "clouds", not from any movie-like hax0rology on my local systems. " Does the author not remember the days when connecting an unpatched W…

> And that Microsoft fixed it?

By becoming itself spyware.

And fixed it... Croudstrike, updates who won't install, ransomware, it even clicks on your links.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 ???

HN will never let facts stand in the way of good FUD.

It's Snarkiness, not FUD. Neither fear, uncertainty nor doubt involved here.

And I think everyone knew from context that the claim was strongly tongue in cheek.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#98
post #5

If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I'm going to assume they're too clever for their own good. Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.

And their method of removing it is by deleting folders?! Even though they definitely know Windows is not like Linux where "everything is a file". I'm actually surprised it booted. Other that that, I thought it was a great criticism of Windows 11.

> And their method of removing it is by deleting folders?!

I suspect this is the only way to actually get it to stop running. See some of the sibling comments here about how it re-enables itself. Maybe if you had the enterprise version of Windows you could do something else.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#99

I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM/SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who act…

I’m puzzled. On the one hand you don’t want the complexity of a Linux desktop, but you want the hassle that comes with changing GPUs. Over the life of a typical machine is it really worth upgrading the GPU separately?

For me the answer is yes. It has been more important than upgrading the processor or anything else. But this depends upon your use case.

If you're a tinkerer or even just some kind of traditional PC gamer Mac just isn't a fun platform because there isn't much you can do with it besides buying a newer one. For a long time Windows was a good choice for this kind of user but less so now.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#100
post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 ???

Arguably, especially in the 8/10/11 era, few of these features are things that meaningfully enhance the user experience. Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. In the 8 era, a huge number of massive projects were started, promoted, and mothballed.

>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks.

It's the painful cost of maintaining backwards compatibility.

For context, I can still install and use Winamp 2.5 from 1999 on Windows 11. That's over 25 years of backwards compatibility. Not something most people need on a daily basis but still very cool.

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