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US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by gruez »

9283409232 wrote: post #67
gruez wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Civil vs criminal. Federal sentencing guidelines don't apply.

You want federal then take a step out and look at all the people who got 10-15 years for carrying an quarter ounce of weed. Sentencing is very selective based on who they want to make an example of and when.

>You want federal then take a step out and look at all the people who got 10-15 years for carrying an quarter ounce of weed.

Source? My impression is that in basically all of those cases, it's either because:

1. the guy is a repeat offender and/or on probation

2. the guy decided to wanted to fight to the bitter end and they threw the book at them

I'm not saying either are justified, but the implication that someone will get 20 years just because he downloaded deepseek through ollama or whatever is still false.

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Post by SauciestGNU »

gruez wrote: post #51
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

In other words, "just trust us bro"? How do we know the evidence is justified? How do we avoid a "Trust us, Saddam Hussein has WMDs" situation?

Trust, but verify ideally. I have little doubt tiktok was being used for hostile influence campaigns. But so are American social media. Maybe the difference is in what countermeasures the American government is able to coerce local companies into deploying.

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Post by wahnfrieden »

SuperNinKenDo wrote: post #69
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

Many speculate that the prevalence of anti-prop on Israel-Palestine was a big motivator. I thought this was rather reductionist until TikTok was allowed back temporarily, only for pro-Plaestine slogans to be suddenly banned when it returned. Is it the only motivation? No. Given the above and the fact that dozens of highly popular Chinese apps continue to be allowed, does it appear likely this is a leading reason? Pla…

That + domestic social media protectionism

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Post by cma »

mikeInAlaska wrote: post #95

From the article: > Hawley introduced the legislation, titled the Decoupling America’s > Artificial Intelligence Capabilities from China Act, > on Wednesday of last year. On Wednesday of last year you say.... hmmm what wrote this article

Deepseekv3 was released in Dec. and already had really good non reasoning benchmarks and most of the inference cost savings.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

dmix wrote: post #22
ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

> bill that’s merely been proposed…

No harm in pulling down R1 right now anyway (which is what I might have done…).

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by scarface_74 »

This is dumb. But I guess I shouldn’t expect any better.

Someone on LinkedIn posted how “dangerous” it was that AWS was going to make DeepSeek available and hosted on Bedrock because it would give China access to data. Not understanding that if it were hosted by AWS, China wouldn’t have access to the data.

This is like this bill where he doesn’t understand that if you “download” the model, you aren’t giving China access to your data.

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