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John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by high5ths »

rsync wrote: post #85
vdm wrote: post #61

TL;DR full screen with multiple monitors is still broken http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/os-x-10-8/18/#full-scre...

How is this even possible ? Do I even understand this correctly ? If you have multiple monitors, and an application goes full screen, the other two monitors go grey ? I am still on SL on my mac pro, so I have yet to see this ... what the fuck do people working at apple (with multiple screens) do ?

I just don't use full screen mode. (I've got 4 monitors.) I assume that's what others do. Though there are some niceties to the dedicated mode, I figure that it's mostly important for my laptop (where I do use it, along with Spaces).

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by kzrdude »

blinkingled wrote: post #22

TL;DR "In some ways, Mountain Lion is a refinement, enhancement, and yes, a major bug-fix for Lion . But the changes and additions are significant enough that they will inevitably come with their own set of bugs. Let's not forget Snow Leopard, which promised no new features but still brought plenty of bugs in its 10.6.0 release." I hope they fixed memory management - Lion is too swap happy and slow on a decent 3Gb RA…

Is memory management the key to why Linux always seems to handle much better than OS X on the same machines? I'm puzzled this problem still exists (with 10.7).

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by swdunlop »

Just don't put it on your development workstation yet; XCode 4.4 is blocking the install of Command Line Tools for some developers. This means Homebrew doesn't work, VIM doesn't work (no /usr/include for pyconfig.h), and things are generally horked unless you want to play end-user in the app store.

Welcome to release day, Apple style. :)

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by aprendo »

rsync wrote: post #85
vdm wrote: post #61

TL;DR full screen with multiple monitors is still broken http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/os-x-10-8/18/#full-scre...

How is this even possible ? Do I even understand this correctly ? If you have multiple monitors, and an application goes full screen, the other two monitors go grey ? I am still on SL on my mac pro, so I have yet to see this ... what the fuck do people working at apple (with multiple screens) do ?

If you go full screen, the app in full screen mode gets to use all your monitors. It gains control over every last pixel available to you. The other monitors are not unavailable, they are greyed out because the app you are using doesn’t take advantage of them. It could if it wanted to.

That’s the decision Apple took. It makes sense† but it’s also utterly stupid. For some reason they stick to it. I don’t think it’s a big deal. Fullscreen apps suck anyway and there is no reason whatsoever to use them on a big screen, much less when you have more than one screen available to you. They might make sense on the 11" Air but certainly on no other computer or screen Apple sells.

Just use apps like you always did (before Apple introduced their stupid fullscreen mode) and they will work fine. Like before, like nothing changed. I have the sneaking suspicion that only maximize-crazy Windows converts run into this problem. On the Mac you don’t maximize. Apple only implemented fullscreen mode the really stupid way to make that abundantly clear to everyone.

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† More than Apple just disabling other monitors, anyway.

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by thought_alarm »

The new iCloud support is interesting. I just edited the same iCloud document in TextEdit on two different machines, and I gotta say that is really damn cool.

On the other hand, this new iCloud support sadly highlights another unrelated new feature in Lion, and not in a good way: Automatic Termination.

You must use TextEdit to browse your iCloud documents, which is fine, but TextEdit keeps fucking disappearing on you because it has no open documents. Command+Tab away for a split second and it's gone, forcefully removed from your Dock and Command+Tab list.

Automatic Termination is a feature that is meant to serve only the most novice of Windows users who are coming to OS X for the first, while it breaks an existing feature of the OS that has been fundamental to Mac OS X and NeXTSTEP for the last 23+ years. And it's not even an option.

It is hugely frustrating and hugely disappointing.

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by trotsky »

rhizome wrote: post #90
trotsky wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Asus zenbook prime 11" and 13" are shipping with full hd ips screens.

That's nice to see, thanks, but at a 50% premium over an MBA (including Windows tax).

I'm not sure which model you looked at, but I believe the 13"/4g/128gb is priced at $1100 msrp vs. similarly configured air at $1200. Microcenter had it for $1000 a few weeks ago.

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by rsync »

aprendo wrote: post #95
rsync wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this even possible ? Do I even understand this correctly ? If you have multiple monitors, and an application goes full screen, the other two monitors go grey ? I am still on SL on my mac pro, so I have yet to see this ... what the fuck do people working at apple (with multiple screens) do ?

If you go full screen, the app in full screen mode gets to use all your monitors. It gains control over every last pixel available to you. The other monitors are not unavailable, they are greyed out because the app you are using doesn’t take advantage of them. It could if it wanted to. That’s the decision Apple took. It makes sense† but it’s also utterly stupid. For some reason they stick to it. I don’t think it’s a…

How does DVD Player going full screen "not make sense" ? Don't you want movies full screen ?

And if you have other monitors, you want them to be useless while, say, Quicktime is full-screened ?

I have triple 30s on one side of the room, and a 60" on the other side of the room. With snow leopard (and presumably, any other OS) I can watch a DVD or other video output full-screen while other output continues to display on the three other screens.

Also, what about full-screening a guest OS in vmware on one monitor, while you do other productive work in your other physical monitors ? That must be a very common use case, right ? As in, all day every day for most vmware users ?

I'm not going to waste time talking about the "maximize" issue - even if I conceded every point of the maximize issue, there's still a problem with an inability to go full screen in one physical screen while working in another...

Re: John Siracusa's OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion Review

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Post by sliverstorm »

blinkingled wrote: post #22

TL;DR "In some ways, Mountain Lion is a refinement, enhancement, and yes, a major bug-fix for Lion . But the changes and additions are significant enough that they will inevitably come with their own set of bugs. Let's not forget Snow Leopard, which promised no new features but still brought plenty of bugs in its 10.6.0 release." I hope they fixed memory management - Lion is too swap happy and slow on a decent 3Gb RA…

Win-Mac integration annoyances mean it's not a Win-Win

I laughed

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