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Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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> the entire premise of 2-3 hour faster flights over the atlantic is just not that appealing Clearly you don't have kids.

Or aren't interested in buying $10k+ tickets for their kids. For most people this would simply not be an option.

I was assuming the end goal was to make supersonic flight way cheaper than it was for Concorde?

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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It's what a private jet charter costs now. I bet rich execs prefer that despite the longer flying time. Getting direct to your destination, not having to rub shoulders with random people, stuff like that. It's also what killed the Concorde. Not enough comfort for the price.

> what a private jet charter costs now No, it’s not. A domestic non-transcontinental charter costs about as much as a top-of-the-line international first-class ticket (~$25k).

True but I was thinking about what a boom ticket would cost. Should have clarified though.

But also that charter is more expensive than I thought then yes. Though top execs rarely travel alone of course.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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> in an era where we're trying to decarbonize, get sustainable aviation fuel going You don’t see an ultrapremium flight option improving chances for synthetic jet fuel?

Not sure I follow, unfortunately.

You could pass a law that Boom flights must burn only synthetic aviation fuel. (How this hasn’t been proposed for private jets is interesting—every time it comes up the more-extreme “ban private jets” meme starts floating.)

You can’t do that for ordinary air travel because consumers have already anchored price expectations and it’s a mass-market product.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Supersonic flight will never be more efficient than traditional flights. And sorry I meant that I don't want any super sonic plane company to be successful.

> Supersonic flight will never be more efficient than traditional flights Efficient by what metric? Fuel use? That’s the new master of our existence, our six-proton czar? If there is one way to kill sympathy and support for climate-change action, it’s by not only insisting but actually hoping that living standards don’t improve (or regress) because it reduces emissions. Instead of seeing a new super-premium air-trave…

> Efficient by what metric? Fuel use? That’s the new master of our existence, our six-proton czar?

If it can be cheap at supersonic speeds, it will be much cheaper at subsonic, always. And use less fuel. The only advantage you get is speed.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Have you done an 8 hour flight in economy? It's absolutely miserable. Noise pollution over the Atlantic affects literally noone.

You can pay for business or first class. Supersonic flights won’t be cheaper.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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I super do not want even a muffled supersonic boom crashing over my house! It would definitely breed some significant resentment against the rich to have my house even gently shaking day by day. My gut tells me this is in no way a solvable problem. But I too fear that after it's built, it'll be the LLM story of "yes we had to illegally access & use every book & piece of art in existence to train this, but now that we…

On the plus side you might only need to replace your smashed windows on windy days.

I'm not expecting anywhere near that level of trouble, but man, when the F-16 went supersonic over DC in 2023, my rowhouse seriously rocked. It was a vibration so wildly different than anything I'd felt in a house before, feeling like it was coming from everywhere.

Even if you can muffle that sonic boom somewhat, I'm highly skeptical it's going to be anything but very noticeable & intrusive.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65808194

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Or aren't interested in buying $10k+ tickets for their kids. For most people this would simply not be an option.

I was assuming the end goal was to make supersonic flight way cheaper than it was for Concorde?

Even if Boom achieves their goal of bringing a certified airliner to production, it's still going to be a relatively small plane. 64-80 passengers according to their website.

That means the cost of the plane, crew, fuel, etc. will be split among a small number of passengers. Fuel burn at supersonic speeds is also going to be higher per passenger mile than traditional airliners.

No matter what this is going to end up as a premium option with a premium price tag. Modern high capacity airliners are optimized for efficiency and that translates to low ticket costs.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Having to drive in bumper to bumper traffic versus chilling in a large chair either working on a laptop, watching a movie or just sleeping (or well if you can't afford it in which case this is very irreverent due to ticket prices).

> chilling in a large chair either working on a laptop, watching a movie or just sleeping Are you talking about trains?

They're comparing to first class on existing airliners.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

#100
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Not sure I follow, unfortunately.

You could pass a law that Boom flights must burn only synthetic aviation fuel. (How this hasn’t been proposed for private jets is interesting—every time it comes up the more-extreme “ban private jets” meme starts floating.) You can’t do that for ordinary air travel because consumers have already anchored price expectations and it’s a mass-market product.

True! I like that idea.
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