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It is being tracked under the correct designation “2018-017A”, therefore they are deleting an erroneous report that was temporarily assigned the designation that was deleted. What makes you think they “stopped tracking” it?
The headline says "delete" not "correct" or "replace". Blame clickbait.
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Neither of your suggestions are accurate. The headline is accurate.
Given overwhelming recent experience, I highly doubt it. I think I didn’t have gray hair the last time a title was more accurate than the story.
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Honestly "astronomers" have really started to annoy me, which surprises me because I love space and astronomy and star-gazing and such. I have bought multiple personal telescopes over the years, so I guess I even qualify as an amateur astronomer. But lately it seems I disagree with astronomers on any intersection of astronomy and politics. I put "astronomers" in quotes because of course I realize that "not all astron…
it’s cheaper and more permanent to just lay fibre and copper to provide internet. we don’t need 3000 satellites launched every few years to do so. i think you’re overinflating elon’s importance. (not that he designs and builds starlink, anyway)
You underestimate the difficulty of navigating lawsuits and access to common infrastructure. Look how difficult it was for Google to lay fiber in the few cities they have, they have been stopped in their tracks over and over because of lawsuits filed by their competitors (ATT etc).
Also fiber providers have very little incentive to build out fiber to rural customers. Why trench hundreds of miles just to hook up a few dozen people?
Starlink has the advantage of serving ALL rural customers with the same set of satellites. It’s actually very efficient when you think about how many millions of rural people are served by a common set of satellites.
I know this first hand because I would not have internet without Starlink and it has been a godsend. Before Starlink my whole neighborhood was SOL because it would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to trench out to us.
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> As the article mentioned, there is no such thing as space-track.org or celestrak.org where anyone can get trajectories for all deep space spacecraft. The closest thing we have is JPL Horizons, so they're working with them: That seems like something that's worth fixing as more and more artificial objects get launched into deep space.
This should be an international effort, not just US! They will censor out their spy satellites, even if its accidentally taken by a sky survey telescope: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/when-a-telescope-i... Then other countries can use this as an excuse to not go public with their spacecraft ephemerides (US didn't tell the world about all of their spacecrafts, so why should I do that?)
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It is being tracked under the correct designation “2018-017A”, therefore they are deleting an erroneous report that was temporarily assigned the designation that was deleted. What makes you think they “stopped tracking” it?
The headline says "delete" not "correct" or "replace". Blame clickbait.
That says nothing about whether or not they continued tracking the object as “not an asteroid”.
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Given overwhelming recent experience, I highly doubt it. I think I didn’t have gray hair the last time a title was more accurate than the story.
It's not that the headline is "more accurate" than the story, it's that the headline is accurate and reflects the content of the article. If you look at the second paragraph of the article, as well as the source it provides[0], they all agree the "asteroid" was deleted from records: "EDITORIAL NOTICE: DELETION OF 2018 CN41". It was not reclassified or corrected, it was deleted, because it was not an asteroid and so d…
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It's being tracked, but not by the "Minor Planet Center".
By who? They say there doesn't exist a database tracking things like this: >“This incident, along with previous NEOCP postings of the WMAP spacecraft, highlights the deplorable state of availability of positional information on distant artificial objects,” the MPC fumed when it retracted 2007 VN84. “A single source for information on all distant artificial objects would be very desirable.”
I'm not sure if it was the lack of trajectories or the unusual orbit which caused the automation issue at MPC.
I'm not sure I buy into the sensationalism behind this story. We're tracking billions[0] of asteroids in interplanetary space, and you say that it's a data-processing hazard that the half-dozen or so deep-space anthropogenic objects aren't submitted to a mandatory international database for de-confliction? That doesn't pass the smell test. [0] https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/01/01/1108643/vera-c-r...
Honestly "astronomers" have really started to annoy me, which surprises me because I love space and astronomy and star-gazing and such. I have bought multiple personal telescopes over the years, so I guess I even qualify as an amateur astronomer. But lately it seems I disagree with astronomers on any intersection of astronomy and politics. I put "astronomers" in quotes because of course I realize that "not all astron…
I feel like serious issues are being brought up but there is also a bit too much righteousness attached to it rather than just pragmatic concerns. Maybe it's just the news reporter adding it though. News always want to add drama and specialty even to mundane events that might be solved easily. Sometimes throwing the discordia apple onto the dinner table.
In this case it seems it was just a mistake recognizing human made objects as asteroids. They mentioned it happened with Tesla Roster and also the Rosetta spacecraft. So yeah, it's pretty boring and the solution is very obvious. Have/improve a shared database of outer space objects.
Now I don't know if the journalist or some astronomer or someone else added the part with *A ’deplorable’ problem*
The definition of deplorable: "deserving strong condemnation; completely unacceptable" "children living in deplorable conditions"
Is this really a 'deplorable' problem? I really don't think there is any need to use such shaming and guilty oriented words for such a small matter. The amount of righteousness is just too much. It will cause people that would on the same side as you with just slightly different jobs/opinions to feel attacked and diminished. In my opinion this is what caused all big tech to flip from democrats to republicans. People over critized tech companies, painted them as villains. Everyone is just trying to do the best they can. It's better to be constructive, offer help, empathy, ask questions, dial back the righteousness. This way people don't feel attacked and punished but rather inspired to do better together.
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Honestly "astronomers" have really started to annoy me, which surprises me because I love space and astronomy and star-gazing and such. I have bought multiple personal telescopes over the years, so I guess I even qualify as an amateur astronomer. But lately it seems I disagree with astronomers on any intersection of astronomy and politics. I put "astronomers" in quotes because of course I realize that "not all astron…
it’s cheaper and more permanent to just lay fibre and copper to provide internet. we don’t need 3000 satellites launched every few years to do so. i think you’re overinflating elon’s importance. (not that he designs and builds starlink, anyway)
The result will be confusion, arguing, zero sum game thinking.
Yes, fibre optic is faster, yes it's cheaper. Yes I have it in my home. Yes I'm your friend. We are the same, we are all in the same boat. There are special uses for Starlink too. It can help countries where inneficient/corrupt governments/telcos create monopolies and don't want to provide fibre. Starlink will force all telcos to be at either faster or cheaper than Starlink. Healthy competition will make everything better. I will still use my FTTH 1Gbps fibre optic which is 3 times cheaper than Starlink at my own house. But I have a Starlink antenna as a backup, once a camion ripped the fibre optic cable (hanging from poles in my neighborhood) and I would have been 1 month without connection if it wasn't for Starlink. I use Starlink at the summer houses of my families, in the long run it's cheaper than paying DSL for 12 months since you can cancel Starlink whenever we can. We are all on the same boat, this beautiful planet called Earth, let's preserve it, but also, let's keep building awesome stuff, there is no limit to awesomeness.
I think it would have been cool for SpaceX to put a teapot in the roadster's trunk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot