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Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Shrinking populations should make housing very affordable

somehow, it doesn't work that way. For example, Latvia lost 30% of its population but housing didn't get cheaper.

yup, and we just lost 10,000 homes in California. We will be losing housing every year. Where I live they just build mansions.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Falling birth rates is a problem in most wealthy industrialized societies. Being up a 4am to greet my wife who's been up since 1am with a screaming child. I'm not sure exactly what kind of benefits could convince us that he needs siblings :) Just saying, that while I certainly applaud the effort. I don't see any easy ways to fix the issue: kids are hard work, there are many other things you could do with your life.

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Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Idk, I love children and being able to comfort kids back to sleep makes me more happy and not annoyed, I’d choose children over a better vacation or a car, I’m not sure why our generation in most countries stopped caring about children. Until this, people would dedicate their lives to their kids, children were the most important thing in people’s lives, everything from friends, to outings, to day to day life, would r…

> Until this, people would dedicate their lives to their kids, children were the most important thing in people’s lives, everything from friends, to outings, to day to day life, would revolve around the child’s best interests and wants. Is this actually true? I don’t really believe it. Sending your kids to work in the sweatshops doesn’t seem like “best interests and wants.” I think people were just surviving in their…

its a complete lie. In the 70s we were treated like luggage. shoved in the back of the station wagon, inhaling cigarette smoke from dad, and playing at construction sites. Im not kidding, that was the affluent kid.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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This has been parenting for the last several thousand years. I say this not to be flippant or sarcastic but rather to ask how our ancestors seemed fine with the above but we seem less so? (To be fair, I have 3 kids and totally get why your scenario might lower the odds. I'll say that even with the 1am wakeups, the "I love you!" from a toddler is one of the best feelings ever.)

> ask how our ancestors seemed fine with the above but we seem less so? Maybe they weren’t fine with it. They just didn’t have any other choice. Now we do, and turns out a lot of people choose not to have kids when given the choice. Honestly, I think we will have a rough couple generations, then nature will take its course and humans will reach a new equilibrium that factors in birth control.

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Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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> I say this not to be flippant or sarcastic but rather to ask how our ancestors seemed fine with the above but we seem less so? Because by and large our female ancestors raised the children, were offered no choice in whether to raise the children, and their opinions of the situation were not recorded.

It is kind of humorous that the majority of people advocating for lots and lots of kids seem to be men.

I find when the people with the least accountability want the most power; many people suffer

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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Too late, I think. Once not having kids becomes "normal" and socially acceptable, it'll take a lot of heavy handed propaganda and much stronger incentives to convince people otherwise. Raising kids is a civilizationally necessary hard work that needs to be "normalized" and "expected" for people to actually do it.

People in my country dont even want to pay taxes for the roads we drive on. The same people are trying to force others to have kids with no incentives and lackluster futures. It’s just a bad deal.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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It's probably going to take way more than just free daycare to make a dent. If declining birthrates can be swung back to a more neutral rate like 2.1, it probably will mean wide reaching financial, cultural, and general societal changes. I think something like the Order of Maternal Glory ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Maternal_Glory ) but for like 3+ kids, where there's additional social standing in additio…

Free day care is amazing. If that doesn’t make a dent then I am not sure what will. Probably free daycare and relaxing immigration would be best to increase population

I think relaxing immigration for more women immigrants to provide childcare would be fine with most Anericans.

Re: Japan Offers Free Daycare to Boost Tokyo's Falling Birth Rate

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A large class of people who loan money are people looking to fund a retirement. This will be devastating to them

I'm sure financial engineering will find a way to make it work in the end

Retirement is about having other people take care of you. If there are less people overall there are less resources to care for the elderly who aren't working. With expanding populations this is easier to manage because the fraction of people who are elderly is smaller, but it can be a huge drain if that changes. This is about resources and no amount of financial engineering can solve it, though financial engineering will probably keep people off the streets
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