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Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

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Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

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post #81

i would love to see Bluesky add RSS to user feeds the same way Mastodon does by just adding /rss to the end of the url. it really is rad to add my most read users to the feed.

Bluesky supports them! If you append `/rss` to any profile, it redirects to a feed. e.g.:

https://bsky.app/profile/xavd.id -> https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:fp2izjrrcsbsqphlu7f5sixa/rs...

More info: https://openrss.org/blog/bluesky-has-launched-rss-feeds

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

#92
I've been trying to make it work for ages, but it's not going to work.

"News" are not actually that easy to automate as in "serialising posts".

Big companies are experimenting with UI all the time for a reason.

Especially because it would involve a lot of heuristics.

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

#93
ooooh I so escaped walled gardens.

I use my own set of domains to find places on the internet [0].

A working example how it could be used is at [1]. It is a domain viewer in javascript.

I also use my own RSS client [2] that stores all links in [3], but don't get me wrong, I also have my storage for bookmarks [4]

Links:

[0] https://github.com/rumca-js/Internet-Places-Database

[1] https://rumca-js.github.io/quickstart/public/static_lists/vi...

[2] https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive

[3] https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database-2025

[4] https://github.com/rumca-js/RSS-Link-Database

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

#94

Is RSS really coming back? :) (you'll say it was never gone!) Lots of RSS related posts and comments recently. I've released Mashups a few weeks ago. https://www.mashups.io It's yahoo pipes clone - so you can mix and filter RSS feeds that you want.

awesome! good luck

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

#95
post #85

An advanced RSS reader/browser could bring back the magic of the web.

What does an advanced reader look like in your mind?

1. Convergent desktop/mobile app that syncs between devices (open source and local)

2. Performant for large numbers of feeds

3. Integrated browser and automagical discovery and organization of feeds while you browse

4. Multiple taxonomies and viewing layout options, chronological, by subject etc

5. Advanced filtering by keywords

6. Transparent and pluggable locally runing algorithms to track usage and inform the user of patterns and if desired adjust presentation

In a sense an advanced RSS 'reader' is what the web "browser" should have evolved to. There is really no real boundary between these two clients.

An advanced RSS reader is essentially a more dynamic browser that queries the internet in more ways that the user-initiated visit of a bookmarked url or typing something into a search form.

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You'll never see anything from the people who post occasionally because they get drowned out by the people who are posting all the time. If you control the algorithm there is nothing to prevent you from sorting feeds by volume and adjusting their presentation accordingly. Actually you can imagine countless other UI adaptations depending on preferences, usage patterns etc. Ideally RSS readers should offer flexible c…

It's one thing to sort a list of things by one criteria, say "a". If you have two criteria, say "a" and "b" you can sort by "a" and break ties by "b" or you can sort by a+b or a-b or something like that... But that's not the same as optimizing both things. Maybe you can say "there are these 5 people who are special to me who I never want to miss their posts" but I think people would struggle to maintain rulesets and…

If I understand your challenge correctly it could be helped with a reader that gives a taxonomy to classify feeds, as you then get implicitly multiple timelines - one per feed category. Linux desktop readers like akregator and the now abandoned quiterss provide that and it works fine.

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does an advanced reader look like in your mind?

1. Convergent desktop/mobile app that syncs between devices (open source and local) 2. Performant for large numbers of feeds 3. Integrated browser and automagical discovery and organization of feeds while you browse 4. Multiple taxonomies and viewing layout options, chronological, by subject etc 5. Advanced filtering by keywords 6. Transparent and pluggable locally runing algorithms to track usage and inform the user…

Great summary.

I'm using a combination of FreshRSS (self-hosted) and Readrops (for Android).

I feel like #1 is handled by this combination. But, I wonder what convergent means here for you?

I don't notice any performance issues. But, this feels like a simple task for a bunch of RSS feeds. Did you notice performance issues with other readers?

There is something very interesting about what you call "automagical discovery." To me this is the biggest hole in my RSS experience. I want something that gives me magical discovery within the feeds I have based on my reading experiences. I subscribe to a lot of feeds because of one article, and then don't care about 90% of the other articles, but there are 10% that I do really want to read, but don't have the focus to find them. Is that what you mean by automagical?

Why do you want #4?

Filtering by keywords seems interesting.

FreshRSS has a bunch of analytics that comes with the server. I never really use it, but it is interesting. I would be happy to share what I can see based on my limited usage over a few months if this would serve your purposes. I would be interested in understanding what you mean by that.

The one thing I wish I had in my current setup is a way to take notes in a centralized way. When I'm on Android, I suppose I can copy and use a share intent. And, on a browser, I could install an extension to do that. But, it feels like that is an interesting opportunity for someone. I wish FreshRSS could layer a JavaScript app on posts, for example, and then I could build whatever I want. It has an extension API, but strangely documented.

Thanks!

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

#98
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does an advanced reader look like in your mind?

1. Convergent desktop/mobile app that syncs between devices (open source and local) 2. Performant for large numbers of feeds 3. Integrated browser and automagical discovery and organization of feeds while you browse 4. Multiple taxonomies and viewing layout options, chronological, by subject etc 5. Advanced filtering by keywords 6. Transparent and pluggable locally runing algorithms to track usage and inform the user…

Vivaldi ticks some of those boxes at least

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Convergent desktop/mobile app that syncs between devices (open source and local) 2. Performant for large numbers of feeds 3. Integrated browser and automagical discovery and organization of feeds while you browse 4. Multiple taxonomies and viewing layout options, chronological, by subject etc 5. Advanced filtering by keywords 6. Transparent and pluggable locally runing algorithms to track usage and inform the user…

Great summary. I'm using a combination of FreshRSS (self-hosted) and Readrops (for Android). I feel like #1 is handled by this combination. But, I wonder what convergent means here for you? I don't notice any performance issues. But, this feels like a simple task for a bunch of RSS feeds. Did you notice performance issues with other readers? There is something very interesting about what you call "automagical discove…

"Convergence" was a term used by Ubuntu in their brief foray into mobile Linux. Alas it never led anywhere, but it still embodies a sort-of holy grail of cross-platform apps with uniform native feel.

On performance, yes, in my experience various readers (have not tried them all!) will choke if the feed list grows beyond a hundred or so. If you make consistent use of RSS you don't even need to be a power user to reach this number. E.g. think of the typical total of browser bookmarks of youtube subscriptions people have.

On reader magic, yes, the empowerment of users in discovering relevant content was quite central in early visions of the web. The idea was that with metadata (linked data) and intelligent clients you will have a sort of decentralized version of the "you might also like" functionality that is now such a mainstay of centralized platforms.

Taxonomies and flexible layouts can really transform your experience. It gives you the option to switch between a reddit-like, subject-oriented view of feeds, or a mixed chronological order.

I am actually thinking of possibly trying out FreshRSS. Akregator is what I am currently using and ticks a few requirements [2] but does not seem to be having much further ambition (and being a native Qt application it requires serious commitment to contribute anything).

Yes your point about extensions is quite important. People have different ideas what makes "an advanced reader" and one way to reach broader community adoption is to make it easy to add functionality.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Convergence

[2] https://www.virtualcuriosities.com/articles/2563/my-review-o...

Re: Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds

#100

A handy bookmarklet to find & preview any site's feed (before subscribing): https://feedreader.xyz

Similar tool here: https://lighthouseapp.io/tools/feed-finder

Finds feeds even if they're not RSS autodiscoverable. Everything it does is described here: https://lighthouseapp.io/blog/deep-dive-finding-rss-feeds

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