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Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#91

I hope trump will reverse this action. I don't want government to decide what I am allowed to watch.

It is a law passed by congress. The only way to reverse it is to (a) have a court invalidate the law (already tried) or (b) have congress reverse the law. Trump can say something about its enforcement, but he can't actually reverse the law (at least according to the constitution, which he also said he wanted to interpret differently).

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#92
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I'd like to discuss the pop-up's content. If it comes out to be that one guy, President Trump, CAN pass an executive order that effectively ignores a law that Congress passed AND the Supreme court upheld unanimously, it's a very dangerous precedent.

Apparently the law has an explicit clause that allows the executive branch to give a 90 day extension if they feel progress is being made towards divestment.

After deadline, though? Even textualists will be hard-pressed to say the enshrined 90-day extension can be exercised after enforcement is actuated - whether by date or action.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#93

A huge shame it'll be undone in 24 hours. Shouting out Trump by name in the ban message is hilarious, they are really doing their best to tie his hands.

He lives to take credit for moments like this. One can only wonder what his actions will be conditional on, but it’s a virtual certainty that it will need to benefit him personally.

It did benefit him personally.

He said so himself. "Trump told the court that TikTok was an important platform for his presidential campaign and that he should be the one to make the call on whether TikTok should remain in the US—not the Supreme Court.":

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/12/trump-told-scotu...

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#94
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I clicked open the link to find Yahoo has gone dark in China since 2021. Doesn’t work even with a VPN. I miss the good old days of the Web.

The cognitive dissonance is stunning. China is a closed system, corrupt, opaque, and doing business there risks being murdered if you don’t grease the right palms. Or if you greased the right palms today, but in 5 years you bribed someone who’s out of favor, could get death. Chinese business crying foul over simply forcing an app to change owners is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

They even had 4 years to IPO, it's not like the ban was unknown.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#95
post #74

This is unfortunate for women in the US, many of whom were using TikTok to raise consciousness of 4B, a protest movement originating in South Korea that calls for women to fight widespread societal misogyny and boycott men. It went viral on TikTok in the US after Trump's win in November and has been steadily increasing in reach and impact since. Hopefully this movement will continue on other social media. Though unfo…

TikTok actively censored videos containing the word "rape", "assault", and "sex", preventing women on the app from honestly talking about their negative experiences with men. I do not think it's a great loss for Feminism to see the app delisted and it's users migrate elsewhere

That isn't a problem in reality as everyone just uses euphemisms which everyone else understands but TikTok doesn't censor. It's been this way for years, we got used to it.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#96
post #45
post #16

I clicked open the link to find Yahoo has gone dark in China since 2021. Doesn’t work even with a VPN. I miss the good old days of the Web.

The chasm between the current tech world's culture and Barlow's "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace" is really jarring

> "We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace"

I remember reading this in my mid-teens and it really speaking to me.

Sometimes we tend to forget: nobody is forcing us to use the crap that "the Internet" has become home to.

The Internet isn't the content, it's the network - the map is not the territory and the underlying architecture hasn't changed all that much.

There will always be room to carve out your space and find your people.

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#97

I'm really curious and somewhat worried about what the economic effect of this is going to be. There are a number of legitimate small businesses that saw a lot of, if not all of, their business and customer base through TikTok. Business that just will not be able to make the move to somewhere else. I personally know musicians, actors, and artists that got a lot of work through TikTok. People who actually create thing…

Don't worry it will be reversed by the end of the week.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#98
It's a shame that it's come to this. I feel that all arguments that TikTok is unhealthy or spyware and bad for our general public are valid, but the same arguments also apply to Instagram/Twitter/Whatever. Rather than have some sort of further regulation for what data any application can collect and present to Americans, we've just brought the hammer down on the millions of people that use this application for their livelihood. This serves only to enrich our American tech monopolies — companies which have proven to us that they have bad intentions towards our country's people.

Truly bleak.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#99

This'll be a pretty interesting psychological experiment. Tomorrow a whole lot of addicted people are going to be experiencing withdrawals at the same time. I have to assume nothing major will come of it, but still, there's not too many instances of this occurring in society, right?

Trump will bring it back in a couple days, it won't be gone long enough to have a large effect.

Re: TikTok goes dark in the US

#100
post #46

I'd like to discuss the pop-up's content. If it comes out to be that one guy, President Trump, CAN pass an executive order that effectively ignores a law that Congress passed AND the Supreme court upheld unanimously, it's a very dangerous precedent.

I think we're beyond creating dangerous precedent at this point. He'll do what he wants and no one can stop him.

Between the Unitary Executive decision with "official acts" in July, and being able to claim democratic immunity by winning the Popular and Electoral vote - I'm trying to grasp whatever straws we have left. If this one is broken, we don't even have the "2 > 1" checks and balances between the 3 branches of government that's taught in every Govt 101 class, so it's good to spell this predicament out for people.
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