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Garmin's –$40B Pivot

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Re: Garmin's –$40B Pivot

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Post by kadoban »

doix wrote: post #62
kadoban wrote: post #44

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Sleeping heart rate is useful because it gives you a good "resting" value. Resting heart rate will tell you if you're getting sick, before you have any real symptoms.

Yeah, I first learned that from the "HOW TO SKATE A 10K" ebook[0] that was posted here[1] a while ago. He talks about how he tracked heart rate to figure out when he was going to get sick. I then started looking back at my historical garmin data, pretty much everytime I was sick, my HRV would drop a few days before. I then started monitoring my HRV closer and taking it easy whenever it dropped. Anecdotal data from on…

Yeah HRV is especially good for that. Mine doesn't really expose HRV very well, I'm guessing because I'm a couple of generations back, so I have to make due. Works pretty well even so though.

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Post by InfiniteTitan »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

Interesting article. My partner bought an Apple watch a couple of years ago and I was shocked at what a poor value proposition it was. Very expensive and wouldn't even hold a charge for a day. I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. Obviously there are things it will do better than a Garmin (and things it can do that a Garmin simply can't) but overall it didn't make sens…

I bought a smartphone. I was shocked at the poor value proposition. Very expensive and the charge wouldn’t even last a day!!!

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Post by rob74 »

salviati wrote: post #32
rob74 wrote: post #23

Of course, the unmentioned elephant in the room here is that Apple watches don't work with Android phones (it's possible to use the "cellular" version with limited features without a phone, but you still need an iPhone to configure it), which means that ~70% of the market are up for grabs...

Reading your comment it sounds like Wear OS [0] is not a thing. But it is... So the market for watches paired with non-iOS phones is not empty. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wear_OS

Sure, I didn't say Garmin had no competitors, just that the Apple Watch is limited to 30% of the smartphone market, while Garmin can address (a part of) the remaining 70% plus some of Apple's 30% as well.

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Post by MarkusWandel »

sylens wrote: post #90
MarkusWandel wrote: post #75

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As a non-Appleista, what strikes me most is their "silo" mentality. Most of the iPhone /iWatch using fitness types I know log their stuff inside the Apple cloud, and do not crosspost to Garmin Connect or Strava so the non-Appleistas don't see their stuff. Whereas the Garmin/Strava world is relatively open. I can for example take the original Forerunner (pictured in the article) and upload stuff from it to the Garmin…

That might have changed in recent years - I can import workouts to Strava that are recorded by my Apple Watch

With maps? The only Appleista that I know that crossposts to Strava always ends up with stats, but no map trace.

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Post by FL410 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #16

They also provide a lot of EFIS (Electric Flight Information System, or "Glass Cockpit") for small GA aircraft. I think AeroDyne and Honeywell are also in this market but I mainly see Garmin there. Like the G1000 (higher models are available on business jets I think). It's pretty good too, you get a lot of features that were limited to airliners in the past. Like seeing terrain contours around you. Not that I fly IFR…

They have really become the gold standard in avionics, so much so that some airframes are preferred to others due to the fact that they've chosen to integrate a Garmin flight deck instead of Honeywell/Rockwell/etc. They have a very consistent and capable design methodology that extends from single engine piston avionics all the way up through relatively large GA jets.

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Post by Mistletoe »

I’ve wanted a Garmin for running but they are so expensive. I just buy a cheap old version of the Apple Watch for $30 on eBay and it works great. The crappy battery life doesn’t matter because the maximum length of my run is 1.5 hours.

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Post by dhosek »

chikere232 wrote: post #52
infecto wrote: post #46

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People value things differently but the battery life is always interesting to me. Certainly if I was backwoods hiking I get it but for my day to day I only take it off post workout in the morning as I shower and get ready for the day. It’s charged so quickly that I throw it back on as soon as I am done.

It sounds like you have a good routine, but it's pretty nice to just have to charge once a week or something

The ideal charging cycles are either daily or never. With some non-daily cycle, I need to add “does my watch need recharging?” to my cognitive load.

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Post by fifilura »

To be honest, that watch line-up with dozens of watches looks a bit like Nokia in 2007.

I have no deeper analysis than that, other than that I remember how proud they were to be able to launch 2 phones per month.

I am a Garmin user myself, but i have a basic $150 ForeRunner 45. I love it and use it every day, because it has all the features and no touch screen.

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Post by dhosek »

scarface_74 wrote: post #28
NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

Interesting article. My partner bought an Apple watch a couple of years ago and I was shocked at what a poor value proposition it was. Very expensive and wouldn't even hold a charge for a day. I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. Obviously there are things it will do better than a Garmin (and things it can do that a Garmin simply can't) but overall it didn't make sens…

With my Apple Watch, I don’t need my phone when I’m running, swimming or at the gym. I can receive and return texts, make and receive calls and listen to music either stored on the watch or streamed over cellular.

The swimming tracking seems magical to me. It counts laps and even identifies what stroke I’m doing (although I need to have a pause if I change strokes to let it accurately catch the change of stroke).

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Post by nightski »

scarface_74 wrote: post #28
NoboruWataya wrote: post #14

Interesting article. My partner bought an Apple watch a couple of years ago and I was shocked at what a poor value proposition it was. Very expensive and wouldn't even hold a charge for a day. I guess you get used to it but having to charge my watch every day would drive me mad. Obviously there are things it will do better than a Garmin (and things it can do that a Garmin simply can't) but overall it didn't make sens…

With my Apple Watch, I don’t need my phone when I’m running, swimming or at the gym. I can receive and return texts, make and receive calls and listen to music either stored on the watch or streamed over cellular.

That's funny, phone related features are the first things I turn off on my Garmin watch when I set it up. The last thing I want is my wrist buzzing off when I am focused lol. In fact, any notifications on my wrist are just flat out obnoxious.

I'll take my multiple weeks of battery life for a single charge on the Forerunner 965. The data and analytics are fantastic as well.

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