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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by wormlord »

throw5959 wrote: post #85
wormlord wrote: post #76

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He literally does do that. Top-level players of the game have called him out for it. They have tracked his time with an API. It is actually mathematically impossible to be at his level in POE-- you would have to be a top-tier player and play nonstop for 20+ hrs a day. People who like Musk aren't going to care that he is racist, they will argue about what actually constitutes as racism (erm pushes up glasses --actuall…

Where does he lie about a video game? Maybe he has someone boost his level. Did he say it's not true? Just doing that can have many reasons - maybe he likes a shiny number there, wants a bigger challenge, more fun because of higher level and more items or whatever. Just playing on an account that I didn't level up myself is not lying. I know that some competitive amateur players think it's the end of the world but no…

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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by throw5959 »

wormlord wrote: post #91
throw5959 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does he lie about a video game? Maybe he has someone boost his level. Did he say it's not true? Just doing that can have many reasons - maybe he likes a shiny number there, wants a bigger challenge, more fun because of higher level and more items or whatever. Just playing on an account that I didn't level up myself is not lying. I know that some competitive amateur players think it's the end of the world but no…

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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by Aeolos »

Thorrez wrote: post #89
wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

Elon Musk is concerned about climate change, and created Telsa to lead the migration to electric cars to help combat climate change. That seems like a positive impact to life on earth.

> Elon Musk [...] created Tesla

Elon Musk did not found Tesla, and most definitely did not did it for environmental reasons.

"Tesla was incorporated in July 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning as Tesla Motors." [1]

"If, I don’t know, 50 to 100 years from now, we’re mostly sustainable. I think that’ll probably be okay. So it’s not like the house is on fire immediately. [...] "The risk is not as high as a lot of people say it is with respect to global warming." [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.

[2] https://turboscribe.ai/transcript/share/4422534834081521519/...

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by remram »

duxup wrote: post #43
wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

I'm not a big conference goer so my sample rate is not super high, but I've seen zero keynote speakers with something I cared to listen to. Regardless of their ideology ... I'm just not getting much out of those kinds of speakers. I'll tell a little story: I worked at a company with like 1k employees. Good company as far as I knew, as much as such a company can be. I work the night shift (tech support) and I'm young…

Yeah the keynote format is really weird. It's more about getting people inspired and hiping your company than talking about anything.

I understand it when it's someone important in the community, but I think the "invited keynote" is a monstrosity that makes no sense and was invented at the behest of sponsors.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by scotty79 »

wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

I think what they have to say is uninteresting for a very different reason. The owe very little of what they own to what they actually think and do. They just managed to keep on top of a huge commercial organism which development and almost cancerous growth has been dictated more by the environment it grew in and sheer chance than any single human opinions and choices. By every possible individual measurement they are no further from average than a standard deviation. There are many more unique and interesting people.

That feat of staying on top of self-inflating balloon is their only claim to fame. So they might have interesting things to say about how to backstab and exploit and avoid getting dethroned but that's all. Unfortunately that's what not they happily share.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by duxup »

remram wrote: post #94
duxup wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a big conference goer so my sample rate is not super high, but I've seen zero keynote speakers with something I cared to listen to. Regardless of their ideology ... I'm just not getting much out of those kinds of speakers. I'll tell a little story: I worked at a company with like 1k employees. Good company as far as I knew, as much as such a company can be. I work the night shift (tech support) and I'm young…

Yeah the keynote format is really weird. It's more about getting people inspired and hiping your company than talking about anything. I understand it when it's someone important in the community, but I think the "invited keynote" is a monstrosity that makes no sense and was invented at the behest of sponsors.

>It's more about getting people inspired and hiping your company than talking about anything.

If they did the Developers, Developers, Developers speech every time ... that would work for me. If only out of amazement.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by bo0tzz »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #64

There are two things that don't sit right with me: 1. "the FOSS community shouldered the burden – both with our labor and our wallets – of a massive exodus onto our volunteer-operated servers" -- this implies that users actually using decentralized services is a burden, a bad thing. Or rather, that a) it would be much better if Twitter was better and people just continued using Twitter rather than FOSS platforms b) t…

> implying that having money in itself (and not a specific way of behaving) is wrong, unethical, and worthy of exclusion.

Having money in the abstract is not. But being a billionaire is.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

debo_ wrote: post #66
phkahler wrote: post #18

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>> He isn't boycotting. He is planning to peacefully protest, which I think is reasonable. No. He's planning to forcefully disrupt by blocking the stage. Narcissistic to the core: "My views and need for attention are more important than the other 8000 people here who may want to see this talk."

Disrupting access with your physical presence is not a use of force. Without peaceful protests, people will resort to violence more often.

You're importing protest tactics developed for use against governments and large corporations into a context where they don't make any sense. There, this legalistic distinction between "force" and "disruption" is quite important, because ensuring you don't cross the line to "force" greatly decreases the legitimacy of any violent response. It doesn't matter at FOSDEM, because FOSDEM is not going to hire goons to beat you up regardless of what you do.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by wormlord »

scotty79 wrote: post #96
wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

I think what they have to say is uninteresting for a very different reason. The owe very little of what they own to what they actually think and do. They just managed to keep on top of a huge commercial organism which development and almost cancerous growth has been dictated more by the environment it grew in and sheer chance than any single human opinions and choices. By every possible individual measurement they ar…

That too. These people aren't exceptional in interesting ways, they are however exceptionally optimized for one kind of success (getting that dolla dolla bill) in a zero interest rate tech environment. Turns out that being a good con man is the optimal way to do that, but then why would I want to listen to a con man?
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