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Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

alt227 wrote: post #82
Cumpiler69 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your realistic options? Say TSMC pays supper competitive US salaries to attract US-only labor, higher labor cost which is causing the end product to be more expensive, which makes that fab uncompetitive globally causing Apple to go buying from someone else and TSMC either choosing leaving the US or going bust eating the losses. You can't compete with lower-wage countries in a globalized world with no trade b…

> when Apple wants higher profits and consumers lower prices Trump wants chips that say "Made in 'Merica". I dont think cost comes into it that much.

That's the catch, he said "Made in America", not "Made by American workers" :)

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Post by hashishen »

kobalsky wrote: post #75
bee_rider wrote: post #56

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Also a lot of US STEM grads have their skills wasted in unproductive fields, like the ad business.

the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

a profitable market can still be unproductive if the overall result is a nuisance to society on almost every level

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by coliveira »

Cumpiler69 wrote: post #67
coliveira wrote: post #62

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Such a great victory for American industry... the future is to bring workers from Taiwan with skills and willingness to receive a fraction of US salaries.

What are your realistic options? Say TSMC pays supper competitive US salaries to attract US-only labor, higher labor cost which is causing the end product to be more expensive, which makes that fab uncompetitive globally causing Apple to go buying from someone else and TSMC either choosing leaving the US or going bust eating the losses. You can't compete with lower-wage countries in a globalized world with no trade b…

The problem was never the cost of labor. US tech is already highly profitable and they can pay the full salary if they wish to. But their desire is basically to get a free card to pay lower salaries by any means, so they can send more of those profits to shareholders. The US is essentially a fighting arena between shareholders and workers. The profit is there, it is just a matter of how business want to keep always more of the spoils to themselves.

Re: Apple will soon receive 'made in America' chips from TSMC's Arizona fab

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Post by bee_rider »

kobalsky wrote: post #75
bee_rider wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a lot of US STEM grads have their skills wasted in unproductive fields, like the ad business.

the internet ad industry is raking billions from all over the world into the USA, how can you call that unproductive.

It doesn’t produce any things.

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Post by whimsicalism »

d3ckard wrote: post #50
whimsicalism wrote: post #33

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I'm a China dove and I'd favor full-throated defense of Taiwan in any invasion (much more so than Ukraine) regardless of chips.

I don’t disagree with the core premise, but why much more than Ukraine?

Taiwan is a long-standing well-functioning democracy and a core ally. On the other side, I also view Russia's grievances as somewhat more legitimate than China's.

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Post by bluGill »

xeromal wrote: post #64
coconut08 wrote: post #57

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where did you get that number from

There's a window where China will have it max capability to invade for the next few years. After that their population is going to start shrinking and every year will be harder than the next to invade.

The population of 18-30 year old males is generally what matters for an invasion and China has been shrinking that for a long time. The rest of the population can plan the invasion, but they rarely actually do it. (a few countries also invite young females to an invasion, but that is not normal)

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Post by b112 »

digdigdag wrote: post #35

- Over 50% of the workers flew in from Taiwan to work on this plant and make these chips. - The chips still need to fly back to Taiwan to be packaged as there are no facilities here with such a capability. Made in america is a hard sell. But at least showing the glaring STEM field gap in the U.S. is a start to finally addressing the brain drain.

I think people are missing something, training.

It's a new fab, and people need to be trained on current processes and work roles. If you have a skilled work force, you use them to train.

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