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JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by intended »

benreesman wrote: post #51
JohnMakin wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services Social currency is also a thing, which is much more difficult to gain in a remote setting - if not impossible. I don't go to work to socialize either, but I'm not naive enough to think that without an extremely established career and reputation at an org that I'll be promoted or employed strictly on merit. there is always some de…

There will always be some social-ness, but let’s be real that it’s out of fucking control right now. I’ve been doing this professionally for more than 20 years and “who you know not what you know” hasn’t run this badly amok in that entire time. The industry is very unsettled right now: credible (or at least loud) opinions on AI range from “fancy autocomplete nothingburger” to “programmers are obsolete starting now”,…

RTO is studied and found to be equal to, or less efficient and profitable than, hybrid.

My guess is that RTO mandates act as a lay off.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by tombert »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #64
nickff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe JPMorgan doesn't want employees like you; maybe they want employees who chit-chat, and become attached to their company, for various (non-kLoC) reasons. Not every workplace is for everyone.

Have you noticed that those who come out hardest against RTO - or any change/revision that doesn't fit their desires - use the same, unbending absolute arguments they claim to be fighting? Like anyone who (gasp!) might want to work in the office is a slacker, there to shoot the shit and at the whim of useless managers and executives who just count asses in seats?

I don't think that's what they're saying, they're saying that they don't want to be forced to come back to the office because they don't like it because some percentage of the people there are there just to shoot the shit. That doesn't imply that everyone who comes to the office is there to slack off.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by jppope »

nielsbot wrote: post #62
999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

It pains me to say this, but I find in-person discussions more productive than online ones. It's not just shooting the shit--for me, spontaneous social chats often lead to work-related brainstorming. Being in the office next to co-workers leads to more spontaneous discussions.

I find the opposite. People frequently show up to meetings in person unprepared. They are also way less likely to document the discussion - which can now be done with AI transcribing the discussion... which is even more productive. There is way more shooting the shit in person.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by ggm »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #87
paxys wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What stopped them from doing exactly this 20 years ago? Turns out the differentiating factor isn't salary but talent. They pay you $$$$ because they can't find equivalent talent in India. And the talent that does exist in India isn't going to work for peanuts.

You are woefully ignorant here. There are lots of cultural challenges (ex: IME young Indians jump jobs even more frequently than young Americans), the time zone coordination, corporate organization, matching client time zone & culture, etc. Talent is not an issue. Even blind statistics are not in your favor.

Yet both of you align to the same answer: replacing us employees with Indian remote workers is less likely for a number of reasons.

But that said, you're also both ignoring relocation of the enterprise as a whole: employ Indians in India.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by soco »

bloomingkales wrote: post #22
TrackerFF wrote: post #4

I think RTO mandates will be the straw that broke the camel's back, for a lot of Americans. Workers in sectors that previously wouldn't even think about unionizing, are now having serious discussions. Going back to commutes, wasting time, for no obvious reason - yeah, that did wake up people. EDIT: I'm talking about rigid 5 days a week RTO policy. As other have pointed out, having a flexible WFH policy is often "good…

American society doesn't want to accept that a lot of our problems happen because the parents aren't home. Michael Moore had an interesting scene in Bowling for Columbine where he showed a 6 year old shooter's mother had to work hours away daily and wasn't home. Mine and most of my friends parents always had to be outside of the house during our formative years. We had very robust economy in the 90s/2000s that pretty…

Another data point: behind the iron curtain quite often both parents were working. Yet the situation got very different form the States, so I'm not sure that's the big cause of shit.

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Post by k8sToGo »

nielsbot wrote: post #52
stinkbutt wrote: post #8

extroverts are not going to win this war

Can you explain this? I don't understand the point you're making.

I have an extroverted colleague and they really like to chat and make events and go for walks and ....

These people probably are miserable in a remote only setting.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by tombert »

dowager_dan99 wrote: post #75
bloomingkales wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American society doesn't want to accept that a lot of our problems happen because the parents aren't home. Michael Moore had an interesting scene in Bowling for Columbine where he showed a 6 year old shooter's mother had to work hours away daily and wasn't home. Mine and most of my friends parents always had to be outside of the house during our formative years. We had very robust economy in the 90s/2000s that pretty…

Wait - how can you say remote is comparable with in-office, then tell me a work from home mother is going to look after her 6-yr-old while doing her job and not split her attention & efforts?

Even if she put in the exact same effort for the company, if she worked from home she might not have a multi-hour commute every day, which could still translate to more attention being paid to the six-year-old.

Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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tombert wrote: post #97
dowager_dan99 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait - how can you say remote is comparable with in-office, then tell me a work from home mother is going to look after her 6-yr-old while doing her job and not split her attention & efforts?

Even if she put in the exact same effort for the company, if she worked from home she might not have a multi-hour commute every day, which could still translate to more attention being paid to the six-year-old.

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Re: JPMorgan Workers Ponder Union in Wake of Return-to-Office Mandate

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Post by reidbk »

nickff wrote: post #26
999900000999 wrote: post #21

I dislike RTO for one simple reason . I'm not at work to make friends, I'm not at work to chit chat. I'm not at work so we can talk about who won the last football game . I go to work in exchange for currency, which is required to acquire goods and services. All this other crap, all these holiday parties, all of this let's dance in diversity videos, no that's not what I'm here for . Most of the time coming to the off…

Maybe JPMorgan doesn't want employees like you; maybe they want employees who chit-chat, and become attached to their company, for various (non-kLoC) reasons. Not every workplace is for everyone.

Totally true. A company and its leadership are free to set the rules and expectations. It’s their company, not yours. You (we) might not fit in a new iteration of “their” company Also, in exchange for the strong compensation and benefits that I believe lots of us in finance, tech, etc enjoy - we might have to give acquiesce back on some things.
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