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Re: Let's Quit X

#91

Post by thrance »

daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

X is already a far right echo chamber, if you create a new account and navigate to the "for you" page, all you see is Elon Musk, Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and other far right "role models".

It's unfortunate that X still retains a greater reach than its alternatives, but that can change in the medium term.

Re: Let's Quit X

#92

Post by brailsafe »

r00fus wrote: post #81
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

This will eventually shift. There is legitimately very little reason to use X unless you're a Musk-stan. Case in point: I started using twitter regularly during the CA fires & blackouts in 2017. I was amazed at how quickly I could get a read on a situation and actual on the ground facts at near real-time speed. For the Palisades fire, I'm struggling to make X nearly as useful as it was. There is a lot of random diatr…

Is there a personal reason you have to keep with it at all at that level? Not doubting you do, but I feel like people are generally addicted to keeping up with shit that affects their emotions and really doesn't need to.

Re: Let's Quit X

#93

Post by NoboruWataya »

ezekg wrote: post #26

I don't understand the obsession with hating on X/Musk right now. He has his opinions, but X is still a great platform, and last I checked, Mastodon and Bluesky still feel like echo chambers (and the latter has a lot of... furry content). In the quiet, it feels like the media moved from hating Trump to hating Musk, and people are now obsessing over amplifying that message. But for what gain? It all kind of reminds me…

Musk's politics aside, content on X has been getting less and less accessible. APIs have been shut down and it seems you need to be logged in to view most posts now. That means if you're a content creator relying on X as your main distribution channel, you now have less reach than ever before. The platform also seems overrun with bots. I'm not on X so can't speak directly to the moderation policy, but from reading others' accounts it seems inconsistent and, at best, not the bastion of free speech that Musk promised when he bought it.

Some of these problems pre-dated Musk's acquisition of Twitter, and some of them will no doubt eventually plague BlueSky as well. But that is kind of the way of social media, nothing lasts forever and people tend to hop from one sinking ship to another.

As for not understanding why people hate Musk. I am loathe to get into politics on this site, but he is (himself) actively using X as a platform to meddle and stoke tensions in a number of democracies throughout the world. That is part of why a lot of people dislike him, and it also casts further doubt on X's future viability as a global content distribution channel, if countries start blocking it.

Re: Let's Quit X

#94

Post by sandytoast »

timmg wrote: post #27
jsheard wrote: post #3

Anecdotal, but so many people in my circles have jumped ship to Bluesky that the transition is pretty seamless at this point. It feels more like Twitter than what became of Twitter does.

Curious: what happens when Bluesky has all the same people/posts as Twitter? Will it be any better? Or will it just be the same thing on a new website?

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Re: Let's Quit X

#95

Post by suzzer99 »

r00fus wrote: post #81
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

This will eventually shift. There is legitimately very little reason to use X unless you're a Musk-stan. Case in point: I started using twitter regularly during the CA fires & blackouts in 2017. I was amazed at how quickly I could get a read on a situation and actual on the ground facts at near real-time speed. For the Palisades fire, I'm struggling to make X nearly as useful as it was. There is a lot of random diatr…

Every major LA fire hashtag is a 10-1 ratio of political nonsense and engagement farming to actual content. Maybe 20-1. It's depressing to try to sift through for actual information. The LA local news was light-years more timely and informative than twitter.

Re: Let's Quit X

#96

Post by chimen »

ezekg wrote: post #26

I don't understand the obsession with hating on X/Musk right now. He has his opinions, but X is still a great platform, and last I checked, Mastodon and Bluesky still feel like echo chambers (and the latter has a lot of... furry content). In the quiet, it feels like the media moved from hating Trump to hating Musk, and people are now obsessing over amplifying that message. But for what gain? It all kind of reminds me…

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Re: Let's Quit X

#97

Post by r00fus »

karaterobot wrote: post #44

I quit Twitter in 2008, around the time I quit Facebook. Here's what I can say with confidence: Bluesky, Mastodon, whatever—they're all going to end up being bad, like Twitter. The problems ultimately come out of the format, not the specific instance of the format.

I disagree. Moderation is like culture. Twitter's moderation has gone to complete junk in the past couple of years. Bluesky and Mastodon don't have that problem (yet, or possibly ever).

In your analogy - moderation is part of the format.

Re: Let's Quit X

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Post by gedpeck »

unpopularopp wrote: post #65
daft_pink wrote: post #55

The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber. My experience using let’s quit “insert company name” is that these echo chambers tend to be toxic and terrible. IE.. Gab, Truth Social, etc. It’s very difficult to do unless you can have broad consensus. I tend to use Twitter for an industry wide group and while a few individuals have moved, the Bluesky version just doesn’t have the reach or usefulness of the twit…

>The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber Yeah but it's a left wing echo chamber and that's good! /s Incognito window > bsky > discovery feed > every post is about US politics, Trump bad, rich people bad, Musk bad etc. Same shit just different colors Bsky is not the answer, the only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.

Same shit just different colors

I think though that Trump truly is worse. If you made this comment in 2008 or 2012 and used Trump or McCain I’d say you are right. But what happens when a person truly is a vile disgusting human being? Then it no longer becomes the same shit. As an extreme example, Kerensky wasn’t as bad as the Bolsheviks. It wasn’t the same shit.

Re: Let's Quit X

#99

Post by ToucanLoucan »

EA-3167 wrote: post #85
unpopularopp wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The problem is that you are creating an echo chamber Yeah but it's a left wing echo chamber and that's good! /s Incognito window > bsky > discovery feed > every post is about US politics, Trump bad, rich people bad, Musk bad etc. Same shit just different colors Bsky is not the answer, the only answer is not to use social media at all. And more or less that applies to HN too.

I don't think there's anything about Bsky that makes it "left wing" or an echo chamber, it's just that the first people to jump ship from Twitter were by and large, on the left of the US political spectrum. If Bsky ends up with hundreds of millions of people on it then it won't be any sort of echo chamber. For now it's very much dominated by Twitter ex-pats, and that gives it a pretty predictable slant. Unlike Twitte…

You aren't wrong, but I'd add that it's also just the never-ending grievance-politics of the reactionary right. Spaces that have them but don't amplify their voices enough are censoring conservatives. Spaces where people can moderate what they get who then opt out of it are censoring conservatives. Endless victim posturing about how silenced all these people are who paradoxically also never shut the fuck up.

They love the notion of the marketplace of ideas until said marketplace tells them to kick rocks and then it's crocodile tears.

Re: Let's Quit X

#100

Post by ezekg »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #93
ezekg wrote: post #26

I don't understand the obsession with hating on X/Musk right now. He has his opinions, but X is still a great platform, and last I checked, Mastodon and Bluesky still feel like echo chambers (and the latter has a lot of... furry content). In the quiet, it feels like the media moved from hating Trump to hating Musk, and people are now obsessing over amplifying that message. But for what gain? It all kind of reminds me…

Musk's politics aside, content on X has been getting less and less accessible. APIs have been shut down and it seems you need to be logged in to view most posts now. That means if you're a content creator relying on X as your main distribution channel, you now have less reach than ever before. The platform also seems overrun with bots. I'm not on X so can't speak directly to the moderation policy, but from reading ot…

> As for not understanding why people hate Musk. I am loathe to get into politics on this site, but he is (himself) actively using X as a platform to meddle and stoke tensions in a number of democracies throughout the world.

What do you think was happening on Twitter before Musk turned it into X?

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