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How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by hilbert42 »

throw4847285 wrote: post #73
mkl wrote: post #26

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I found the movie interesting in that they managed to make the Confederates the good guys by simply never showing a Black person on screen or mentioning slavery. There were a few good stunts and it was worth watching as a historical curiosity, but I didn't think it was all that good as a movie. I'm not American, so may have missed some things that would have let me follow the story better.

I recommend listening to the episode of the Blank Check podcast about The General (and Battling Butler), if you can sanction some buffoonery. It's a mix of a comedy podcast and deep movie analysis, which is not for everybody. For that episode they brought in writer Jamelle Bouie who is both a huge movie buff and a student of American history who brings in some great perspective on the Lost Cause. https://podcasts.app…

Have started listening to it, thanks.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by crazygringo »

adamc wrote: post #72
krisoft wrote: post #56

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> Nobody is forced into it. And i’m not forced to watch it. So all is fair.

Your position is similar to why I stopped watched NFL games. I get that players choose to play (for money), but at the end of the day, I am unwilling to contribute to brain damage.

I think there's a pretty big difference between long-term brain damage and bruises though.

Stuntpeople aren't getting blows to the head, generally speaking.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by gigaflop »

astura wrote: post #86
gigaflop wrote: post #75

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There's a youtube channel out there that used to be a sort of nature channel, but seems to have devolved into 'Get stung/bit by painful animal X'. I haven't watched their stuff in ages, but I'm very aware that the original channel host isn't the one getting stung anymore. I have to wonder what it was like from their perspective, watching the view counts go up and up with each successive "Hurt yourself on camera" vide…

>There's a youtube channel out there that used to be a sort of nature channel, but seems to have devolved into 'Get stung/bit by painful animal X'. I haven't watched their stuff in ages, but I'm very aware that the original channel host isn't the one getting stung anymore. Brave Wilderness?

Yeah, that's the one! With the guy named Coyote.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by smusamashah »

keiferski wrote: post #16
wisty wrote: post #6

For those who don't know, Keaton was amazingly dedicated as a comedic stuntman - a silent era Jackie Chan (he was less popular after the silent era, but kept working until his death in the 60s). From Wikipedia: Garry Moore recalled, "I asked (Keaton) how he did all those falls, and he said, 'I'll show you.' He opened his jacket and he was all bruised. So that's how he did it—it hurt—but you had to care enough not to…

Video of some of his better stunts: https://youtu.be/yOo_ZUVU_O8?si=1OEwZTk-d88ma2Zs And a great Every Frame a Painting film essay on his work: https://youtu.be/UWEjxkkB8Xs?si=n-4ZNr_cMnYVKijs He was truly an innovator that makes today’s “films of people talking to each other” look amateurish. A few months ago the local theatre was playing Sherlock Jr. with a live band, and it was awesome. Try to see it in similar ci…

All those falls, my toddler is going to love his films I guess.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

keiferski wrote: post #16
wisty wrote: post #6

For those who don't know, Keaton was amazingly dedicated as a comedic stuntman - a silent era Jackie Chan (he was less popular after the silent era, but kept working until his death in the 60s). From Wikipedia: Garry Moore recalled, "I asked (Keaton) how he did all those falls, and he said, 'I'll show you.' He opened his jacket and he was all bruised. So that's how he did it—it hurt—but you had to care enough not to…

Video of some of his better stunts: https://youtu.be/yOo_ZUVU_O8?si=1OEwZTk-d88ma2Zs And a great Every Frame a Painting film essay on his work: https://youtu.be/UWEjxkkB8Xs?si=n-4ZNr_cMnYVKijs He was truly an innovator that makes today’s “films of people talking to each other” look amateurish. A few months ago the local theatre was playing Sherlock Jr. with a live band, and it was awesome. Try to see it in similar ci…

> He was truly an innovator that makes today’s “films of people talking to each other” look amateurish.

I feel you could have said the first part without attempting to critique films with a different aesthetic aspiration.

I just watched Eisenberg's "A Real Pain" last night, and there is no way that any of the things Keaton was good at would have improved that film at all. Which is not to say that Keaton was not an innovator .. just that there is more than one aesthetic goal for films, and room for all of them.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by hommelix »

amelius wrote: post #40
dostick wrote: post #29

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Was one 20 years ago, Citroen c5 or c3 or something. Maybe still is.

It doesn't have the iconic 2CV look ...

The first generation C3 (FC/FN) was close to the 2CV. There was as well the C3 Pluriel, where the top could be removed, a little bit like the 2CV.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_C3

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by Terretta »

af78 wrote: post #61
mrb wrote: post #14

I immediately assumed this article was about the French movie Le Corniaud (1965) in which a 2CV falls apart in 250 pieces in an accident—this scene specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnLj5Xo4zBc&t=19s It became one of the most iconic scene of French comedy movies. To prepare the scene, the special effects engineer sawed off the car in 250 pieces, reattached every piece with hooks, and secured the hooks wit…

I'm not sure how to translate this line: « Ah ben maintenant elle va marcher beaucoup moins bien, forcément ! » (Bourvil reportedly improvised it, causing de Funès to start laughing and bow his head to hide it). Google Translate: “Ah well now it’s going to work a lot less well, of course!” Deepl: - It's going to work much less well. - It's going to run much less smoothly. - It's going to run a lot less smoothly. None…

The Google one seems dead on, except it should be gendered, native English refers to boats and cars as female gender:

“Ah well, now she'll work a lot less well, of course!”

Since you mentioned Google and Deepl, here's O1:

“Ah well, obviously she’s gonna run a lot less well now!”

“Ah well, looks like she’ll be running a lot less well, naturally!”

My own thoughts on google were replace work with run, replace it with she, and I wasn't sure about of course, versus, say, naturally. My own would have been:

“Ah well, now she'll work a lot less well, naturally!”

The context is that the 2CV driver is fussing to the Rolls driver who bumped him to make it fall apart. It keeps the Galois humor of a 2CV running well ever, and the naturally rhymes with that.

// English native, FSL here

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by foobarian »

kjellsbells wrote: post #30
amelius wrote: post #28

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By the way, I always wondered why we got modern versions of the Mini and the Beetle, but not the 2CV.

I guess the answer depends on which aspect of the 2CV is being replicated in the new version. If its "outrageously small but can still take you and a goose to market", Citroën have a tiny little electric vehicle, the Ami, today. If its "something simple enough that a farmer can weld the panels themselves", I fear those days are long gone, in the same way that the OG Land Rover Defender is no longer a car you can wren…

Well since we're talking about Citroen I'll say where is the button I can press to make the car raise up 20 cm :-D Always loved watching my uncle come visit in their CX. We'd always wait to see the car start and lift up.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by keiferski »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #95
keiferski wrote: post #16

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Video of some of his better stunts: https://youtu.be/yOo_ZUVU_O8?si=1OEwZTk-d88ma2Zs And a great Every Frame a Painting film essay on his work: https://youtu.be/UWEjxkkB8Xs?si=n-4ZNr_cMnYVKijs He was truly an innovator that makes today’s “films of people talking to each other” look amateurish. A few months ago the local theatre was playing Sherlock Jr. with a live band, and it was awesome. Try to see it in similar ci…

> He was truly an innovator that makes today’s “films of people talking to each other” look amateurish. I feel you could have said the first part without attempting to critique films with a different aesthetic aspiration. I just watched Eisenberg's "A Real Pain" last night, and there is no way that any of the things Keaton was good at would have improved that film at all. Which is not to say that Keaton was not an in…

I was comparing Keaton to a modern film that has people talking back and forth without any interesting use of space on film. This video explains it well:

https://youtu.be/jGc-K7giqKM?si=0sOBkBrsYa4IBo5N

A lot of Keaton’s gags and shots are similar.

Re: How did they make cars fall apart in old movies (2017)

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Post by colanderman »

af78 wrote: post #78
colanderman wrote: post #66

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All four sound fine to my native ears. "It's going to run ..." is most natural when talking about a vehicle. (French if I recall does not distinguish "working" from "running" for machines generally.)

Thanks. While the primary meaning of 'marcher' is 'to walk', it can be used for machines and vehicles indeed. 'Rouler' is for vehicles only. Interestingly in English the verb 'to run' is used, suggesting higher speed. The expression “to work better” is quite common but I don't remember seeing “to work less well”. And as I was taught that « plus grand » translates to “taller” but « moins grand » to “not as tall as”, I…

Yes, I might naturally say "It's no longer going to run as smoothly." But, to me, phrasing it as "It's going to run much less smoothly" adds to the humor by suggesting that it will to _some_ degree still run "smoothly" (when in fact it won't run at all).
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