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Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by bubblethink »

JohnMakin wrote: post #3

I'm a PoC, and stuff like this reads extremely bizarre to me. On the one hand, you're acknowledging rolling back DEI initiatives in part because of the "political landscape," and that you were already committed to diversity on your teams. That's all well and good, but then, why the initiative in the first place? It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performativ…

>why the initiative in the first place? It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performative in the first place.

The initiative was them bowing to public pressure and the zeitgeist of the time. We will never know if it was completely performative of if they did actual racism. They are obviously not going to admit to it one way or the other. But they are rolling it back and explicitly stating that they won't do racism. That seems fine. What's the problem ?

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by inglor_cz »

ADeerAppeared wrote: post #59
JohnMakin wrote: post #3

I'm a PoC, and stuff like this reads extremely bizarre to me. On the one hand, you're acknowledging rolling back DEI initiatives in part because of the "political landscape," and that you were already committed to diversity on your teams. That's all well and good, but then, why the initiative in the first place? It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performativ…

> It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performative in the first place. Keep in mind that these statements are made to pander to the incoming president. The implication that "DEI is discrimination against white people" is very much a part of that. > why the initiative in the first place? Ultimately this is the same answer as with the broader ESG incentives. It…

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Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by llm_trw »

JohnMakin wrote: post #3

I'm a PoC, and stuff like this reads extremely bizarre to me. On the one hand, you're acknowledging rolling back DEI initiatives in part because of the "political landscape," and that you were already committed to diversity on your teams. That's all well and good, but then, why the initiative in the first place? It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performativ…

You need obvious people to fire in the next downturn without hurting productivity too badly.

A dei program labels those people for you.

Ironically this is exactly the reason why dei programs were considered illegal until a decade ago.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by afavour »

TSUTiger wrote: post #87
mempko wrote: post #73

I started a new account on Twitter just to see what it's like. It's completely unusable. The place is filled with shit content that a I don't want to see and bots. Not sure what competitive advantage you are talking about.

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IMO Twitter has a core failure in promoting premium accounts over regular ones, then compensating those users for the amount of traffic they generate. Almost any post that goes viral will be swarmed by trolling/low effort responses from premium users who are looking to capitalize on outrage clicks. It's an exhausting user experience, IMO. I don't miss it at all.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

Animats wrote: post #43
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #15

This comment is based upon n two assumptions: 1) Twitter has imploded, and is on the road to Myspace level relevance 2) that implosion is due to a removal of moderation I'll try to keep it politically neutral. But this and other Facebook announcements means inexorable collapse is on the medium term horizon, because they mirror what Twitter did These actions could possibly be done with social network circa early to mi…

> 1) Twitter has imploded, and is on the road to Myspace level relevance Revenue is down, yes. But when a head of state wants to say something to the world, they put it in a tweet. 189 countries have an official presence on X.

Sure, but government bureaucracies are also famously slow to adapt and move on. Is it actually a vote of continued confidence?

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by segasaturn »

ceejayoz wrote: post #8
spondylosaurus wrote: post #2

> We serve everyone. We are committed to making our products accessible, beneficial and universally impactful for everyone. The new(ly leaked) moderation guidelines might suggest otherwise...

For anyone unfamiliar: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/meta-new-hate-spee... > “We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like ‘weird,’” the revised company guidelines read.

Additionally they've unbanned the use of some slurs, such as calling other people "retarded". Not a nice feeling having grown up with that word directed at me almost every day.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by swatcoder »

mempko wrote: post #73

I started a new account on Twitter just to see what it's like. It's completely unusable. The place is filled with shit content that a I don't want to see and bots. Not sure what competitive advantage you are talking about.

They all suck. But the user experience is practically irrelevant to the business of selling ads and operating sentiment manipulation channels, which is the business that all of the large social media companies are in.

And whether their ideas and strategies are well-grounded or seem optimal or ethical to the rest of us, the top leadership at most of those companies lean strongly towards corporatist, libertarian political ideals and see most regulation (and preemptive self-regulation) as both philosophically immoral and an existential threat to their businesses.

Re: Meta's memo to employees rolling back DEI programs

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Post by throwaway48476 »

ADeerAppeared wrote: post #59
JohnMakin wrote: post #3

I'm a PoC, and stuff like this reads extremely bizarre to me. On the one hand, you're acknowledging rolling back DEI initiatives in part because of the "political landscape," and that you were already committed to diversity on your teams. That's all well and good, but then, why the initiative in the first place? It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performativ…

> It seems to me you're doing at least 1 thing here, and acknowledging that such DEI program was performative in the first place. Keep in mind that these statements are made to pander to the incoming president. The implication that "DEI is discrimination against white people" is very much a part of that. > why the initiative in the first place? Ultimately this is the same answer as with the broader ESG incentives. It…

ESG is just a jobs program for stock brokers.
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