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Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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There are multiple falsehoods in your comment. EFF have been putting some significant distance between themselves and their (admittedly, true) Libertarian origins. Cory Doctorow (long-time public-face, current special advisor) has distinctly non -Libertarian leanings. https://www.eff.org/about/special-counsel#main-content > The more-libertarian John Gilmore and Brad Templeton are both emeriti: https://www.eff.org/abo…

Cory is a nominal figurehead who isn’t in charge of anything. Many EFF staffers have been unhappy with the direction for a long time. Cindy’s leadership is wildly out of touch with the state of the world. Privacy Badger is at best an also-ran privacy tool that’s had little impact in general, and no impact on big tech bottom line. It’s a joke in the grand scheme of things. Also, “concern over Google” is utterly immate…

>EFF takes millions from Google

???

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

#92

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Cory is a nominal figurehead who isn’t in charge of anything. Many EFF staffers have been unhappy with the direction for a long time. Cindy’s leadership is wildly out of touch with the state of the world. Privacy Badger is at best an also-ran privacy tool that’s had little impact in general, and no impact on big tech bottom line. It’s a joke in the grand scheme of things. Also, “concern over Google” is utterly immate…

>EFF takes millions from Google ???

“Over the past years, EFF has taken millions in funds from Google and Facebook via straight donations and controversial court payouts that many see as under-the-radar contributions. Hell, Google co-founder Sergey Brin’s foundation gave EFF at least $1.2 million.”

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine

It seems to hurt a lot of people’s feelings in SV, but no, you wearing an EFF tshirt and making yearly corporate-matches donations doesn’t remove your culpability for working for big tech. Likewise, the EFF knows how many of the “small” donation come from SV tech employees.

It’s a sham organization that was premised on a faulty understanding of regulatory frameworks that does very, very little of value in the past 15 years.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

#93

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>EFF takes millions from Google ???

“Over the past years, EFF has taken millions in funds from Google and Facebook via straight donations and controversial court payouts that many see as under-the-radar contributions. Hell, Google co-founder Sergey Brin’s foundation gave EFF at least $1.2 million.” https://thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine It seems to hurt a lot of people’s feelings in SV, but no, you wearing an EFF tshirt and making yearly corp…

This article is a manipulative hit piece from 2018. Employee donations with employer match are still individual donations. "Controversial" court payouts? Come on.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I cannot understand how people accept ads. It triggers me so much when I open an article and between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends. YT is crazy with their multiple ads unskippable sometimes 30 mins long wtf. Thank you UBO regarding tracking: I guess I don't care about that since I get these updates from Google about where I…

> I cannot understand how people accept ads. Advertisements have been around for thousands of years. The concept predates industry, democracy, and (depending on who you ask) capitalism itself.

In the past, an advertisement would be more like something printed in a newspaper or magazine next to the articles.

Nowadays, it is more like the people running the airport security line, who record down their observations.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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That’s the idea, and I’ve seen speak of it in comments in places like these, but I’m not aware of there being a specific term for it. I call it privacy by obfuscation but that’s kind of boring. It’s easy to start experimenting with to see how invasive it is. Try changing your birthday to under 18 or over 35 if you’re under 35 and see how drastic your ad experience changes across anything you interact with on the web,…

I agree in a world of data surveillance, techniques that obfuscate, like you have mentioned are ideal. The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also impacts other industries (legitimate functions) including areas of national security. Therefore I imagine it will be met with resistance, if any useful tools become widespread in use. For example, faking traffic jam data for google maps with phones. https://www.ab…

>DataPools is a Wi-Fi geolocation spoofing project that virtually relocates your phone to the latitudes and longitudes of Silicon Valley’s elite pools. https://adam.harvey.studio/datapools/

That is hilarious and should be expanded.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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Behavioural surveillance fuels the online ads industry.

It's possible to have ads without the current levels of surveillance. Many of us grew up in such a world.

The ads still work just as well without the Trojan Horse surveillance. Commerce does not suffer.

Of course so-called "tech" companies are terrified of a world where this computer-based surveillance to fuel online ads is competitive or tightly regulated. For them it is "unthinkable". For some of us subjected to this nonsense, it is easily thinkable. It is fresh in the memory.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

#97

I've been experimenting with behavioral tracking on a bunch of platforms for a while now, but it's very difficult research - if you come across something interesting, replication is very difficult if not impossible, or sometimes the underlying paradigm will change entirely and force you to start from square 1. My motivation is that I would love, and personally pay a ridiculous amount of money for, a service that obfu…

Just mentioning AdNauseam, which clicks on all ads in the background to poison the data.

https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I cannot understand how people accept ads. It triggers me so much when I open an article and between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends. YT is crazy with their multiple ads unskippable sometimes 30 mins long wtf. Thank you UBO regarding tracking: I guess I don't care about that since I get these updates from Google about where I…

> between every paragraph is an ad and a video fixed to the top/bottom following you as you scroll and they change once the video ends And of course Chrome, Firefox, and Safari don't provide a reliable way to stop those obnoxious auto-playing videos.

Readable view in Firefox is pretty reliable and builtin.

Re: Online Behavioral Ads Fuel the Surveillance Industry

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I agree in a world of data surveillance, techniques that obfuscate, like you have mentioned are ideal. The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also impacts other industries (legitimate functions) including areas of national security. Therefore I imagine it will be met with resistance, if any useful tools become widespread in use. For example, faking traffic jam data for google maps with phones. https://www.ab…

> The problem with this form of obfuscation is it also impacts other industries (legitimate functions) including areas of national security. I'm aware that "national security" is often invoked in these types of discussions, and a little aware more than I think the general populace at how valuable some of this data is to intelligence operations. However, I would counter that by saying perhaps someone should consider w…

Some areas you might want to consider looking into.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_privacy

https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2022/06/15/using_snarks.htm...

Obviously this requires companies to embrace said technologies.

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