I don't think you can copyright lists of publicly available information (iirc there was some case with phone numbers before). That being said, they also stole code...
uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
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Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#92Why can't people just run businesses decently without deception & scams? I'm sure they can be profitable. This deceptive behaviour actually makes the business loose customers in the long term.
How do you propose a company like Honey should make a profit without deception and scams? Their product is supposedly: install a FREE extension and you get discount codes applied for you at retailers when you check out. It turns out they were able to be profitable by making themselves the affiliate every time you purchase something, but that's scammy because it's stealing from others who actually generated the referr…
Why do you assume they are always stealing a referral from somebody? Do you think everything people buy comes from a prior affiliate link? Yes, Honey makes money from affiliate commission. That money is funded by the merchants who voluntarily choose to partner with Honey. How is that scammy?
In the rare case there is a prior referral, yes last click attribution comes into play. But that's the same for every shopping extension (Rakuten, Capital One, etc). The extensions have to comply with the affiliate network's "stand down" policies, which means they can't just automatically pop-up and actively try to poach the commission if it's within the same shopping session. And they all comply. MegaLag focuses on a very niche case of going back to the merchant in the same month.
Source: I worked in the affiliate industry for a few years
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The bad pushes out the good until you’re only left with bad. A system that tolerates bad actors like this will in time only have bad actors. It’s tolerated because it makes a large amount of money for a small number of people.
This. Allowing bad actors to participate in a system allows them to externalize costs, which makes them more competitive than good actors. In human relationships, this behavior is punished by excluding bad actors from social relationships (i.e. the "no assholes" rule). That does not work for corporations, because most people who are customers of these corporations are unaware of the corporation's bad behavior, are un…
> That does not work for corporations, because most people who are customers of these corporations are unaware of the corporation's bad behavior, are unable to avoid the corporation's products, or are stuck with a choice between bad options.
I think it's more often that they don't care.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#94I know it’s not necessarily the same people, but it feels contradictory for this community to say “copyright infringement isn’t theft” when we’re talking about movies, but use the opposite language when talking about GPL source code.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
My general belief is that you can be a millionaire by acting ethically, but you can’t be a billionaire. Lots of people motivated by money want to be billionaires.
I know one billionaire. He's third generation to run a investment / hedge fund firm that is super secretive. Can barely find him on google, just a few articles about his dad and granddad. They quietly played the financial system for 7 decades and the fourth son will soon take over, but all he seems to do is travel because their employees do all the work. I've learned there are hundreds of billionaires that play this…
That family has most likely a big beard somewhere ;)
They seem to be more on the respectful and ethical side btw.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#96If any software ever deserved being sued into non-existence it is the Honey browser extension, and any other scam software they turn out (Pie Adblock in this case). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc4yL3YTwWk
This video is just rage bait and weaponizing creators and their fans by singling out Honey and not providing any additional context. Anybody in the affiliate industry knows how last click attribution works. This isn't new or specific to Honey. CapitalOne Shopping, Rakuten, RetailMeNot...they all work the same way. Merchants partner with these shopping extensions knowing how they work, nobody forces them to do so. The…
Stop spamming the same bullshit apologism over and over and over
Nobody cares that other companies and extensions do the same thing, they're bad too.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#97I know it’s not necessarily the same people, but it feels contradictory for this community to say “copyright infringement isn’t theft” when we’re talking about movies, but use the opposite language when talking about GPL source code.
You can live in the gift economy or the money economy. Taking stuff from the gift economy and selling it is gross.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
The bad pushes out the good until you’re only left with bad. A system that tolerates bad actors like this will in time only have bad actors. It’s tolerated because it makes a large amount of money for a small number of people.
This is exactly it. When things are horrible around us, there is a strong temptation to throw ones hands up in apathy and let the rot fester. "Eh, Honey is probably selling my data but I got $5 off my new mattress, so wtv". We need to resist that call to apathy, stop acquiescing, and start demanding better of others. That, incidentally, often starts at demanding better of ourselves.
That's not apathy, that's not caring and, frankly, there's nothing wrong with that.
You and I value our privacy but most people don't. That's the truth. The tone of your post assumes people agree with you but, clearly, most people don't.
It isn't the market that creates the demand.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would it be incumbent on Honey, or illegal at all? It is a voluntary transaction by two businesses. If the business does not want their codes given out, then they should not agree to Honey’s T&C.
Just because the user agrees to Honeys T&C does not mean the user has the right to share the coupon in that manner. The coupon originating company did not give the user the coupon with permission to share. If it was a printed coupon and photocopied it would be obviously illegal, I’m not sure how the digital equivalent would not be illegal. If such a coupon was publicly available then it would be like if honey went an…
The original post I responded to mentioned “testers”, presumably employees of the business, and therefore, this would be an employee insubordination problem for the employer to deal with, if the employee shares something they should not.
> Consider a scrap dealer accepting a clearly stolen catalytic converter
Why? I don’t see where the claim is being made that Honey/Paypal is accepting clearly stolen coupon codes.
Re: uBlock Origin GPL code being stolen by team behind Honey browser extension
#100Is he correct? That you can't have GPL files in your project without all code adhering to it? I thought it has to be linked static. So just calling a GPLed js library likely wouldn't be enough. I think the law is muddy here and not clear at all, even if the code is directly bundled.