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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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chaps wrote: post #86
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71

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> I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it. That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech tit…

Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world.

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

chaps wrote: post #86
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it. That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech tit…

Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world.

> Your definition of "distasteful, but that's about it" is likely substantially understated from just about everyone else in the world

Social media isn't most of the world.

I don't like it. But I also don't like most of social media. Musk faced no consequences for his paedo comments. He is facing consequences for his partisan activism. That's the difference between being a public and political figure.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by i80and »

lolinder wrote: post #65
SoftTalker wrote: post #39

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I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

Not to mention that even if you can afford a Tesla, my understanding is that the non-Tesla market has just gotten much better than it was over the last few years.

For a while, if you wanted a long range EV you could actually cross the country with, Tesla was it.

That's just not true anymore -- I'm coming up on year three with my non-Tesla, and it's been perfect, road trips and all.

Tesla still has its brand recognition and inertia in its favor, but it's tougher for them when you can get equally good if not better cars elsewhere.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by bko »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71
bko wrote: post #68

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The upside of having an outspoken public figure at the head is that he's in charge and takes ownership. It's pretty wild that you can have some failure in your Tesla, and you can just tweet about it and if its a compelling issue you'll get the CEO to respond and address it directly. Imagine trying to get the attention of someone from Ford. I don't know if you can have it both ways. Either you're a faceless soulless c…

> I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it. That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech tit…

You know who he donates to and know what he thinks. I'd prefer the other billionaires that just donate in private or buy a newspaper that until recently openly endorses candidates and has selective coverage of events based on politics

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bko wrote: post #94
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think him being eccentric and generally disagreeable is unrelated to him building great products and companies Within the domain of the private sector, yes. The paedo comments were distasteful, but that's about it. That changed when he became a political figure. (And a partisan one at that.) Musk, the brand, has fundamentally changed in a way that more resembles Soros or Murdoch than the bipartisan tech tit…

You know who he donates to and know what he thinks. I'd prefer the other billionaires that just donate in private or buy a newspaper that until recently openly endorses candidates and has selective coverage of events based on politics

> I'd prefer the other billionaires that just donate in private or buy a newspaper that until recently openly endorses candidates and has selective coverage of events based on politics

Sure. This isn't most prospective EV buyers. It's not a coincidence that the most-popular car colours are white, grey and black [1]. At the end of the day, most people don't want a loud car.

[1] https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/what-are-the-best-car-colors-...

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by tzs »

FloorEgg wrote: post #52
j4coh wrote: post #38

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I guess it speaks more to his utter lack of social skills than anything how he has managed to convince both the far left and far right he is simultaneously an Elder of Zion super-Liberal enemy as well as a white supremacist fascist enemy. Comments supporting both readings keep popping up as replies and then get insta-flagged.

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It's not a bad thing if someone is at odds with both extremes because they are in the center. It is a bad thing if they are at odds with both extremes because they are one extreme on some issues and the other extreme on the rest of the issues.

It's like how a house that is averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 68℉ (20℃) all day is a lot more pleasant than house that averages 68℉ (20℃) by being 50℉ (10℃) for half the day and 86℉ (30℃) for the other half of the day.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by mbesto »

bearjaws wrote: post #87
mbesto wrote: post #58

My friend said it best: "EVs are great second cars" I think we're finally hitting the saturation point of EVs as the market who adopted them is realizing their flaws as a primary vehicle: - Inadequate infrastructure (both localized "my apartment doesn't have a charging station" and more globally "I stopped at a supercharger station and it was full of people so my charge went from 100 kW to 15 kW and took 45 min to ch…

It does not go down to 15kw. At old Tesla stations it went from 150kw to 75kw. Any v3 station (first introduced in 2019!) will stay at 150kw to 250kw. I haven't seen a v2 station in 2 years now. You also don't need a battery based on its age, you need it based on its mileage. Some people like my wife only drive 8k miles a year, which is more around 20 years...

> It does not go to 15kw

It goes to whatever the software tells it to, which is based on the following factors:

- What percentage the battery is at when it starts charging

- Environmental conditions (cold/heat)

- How many other cars are being charged (IIRC most super charger stations don't supply the max amps * the number of ports - they assume some cars will be throttled)

A v3 can get up to 250 kW but only under optimal conditions. The more EVs on the road, the less optimal it becomes.

> You also don't need a battery based on its age, you need it based on its mileage. Some people like my wife only drive 8k miles a year, which is more around 20 years

True, but for reference, "Tesla also provides an 8-year warranty (or up to 150,000 miles, depending on the model) for its batteries, guaranteeing at least 70% capacity retention during this period". The average consumer doesn't understand that their car gets less range over time after use.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by seattle_spring »

jp42 wrote: post #15
sidcool wrote: post #4

Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?

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Claiming people think Musk is a horrible person purely because of a "MSM narrative" sure is a take. Maybe it's because of the actual horrible things he says, does, and boosts, and not because of some low-watched news network Boogeyman?

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by fckgw »

orourkek wrote: post #73
fckgw wrote: post #33

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I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

Hyundai might have some great EV offerings that are cheaper, but Rivian does not have anything even close in terms of price, unless you only consider Plaid models. You can get a used model 3 for $20k now, which is good value if you put aside politics & CEO.

Well yeah I'm not talking about comparing a used high mileage version of Tesla's cheapest sedan to a R1T

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by camhart »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #89
camhart wrote: post #74

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> nothing wrong with being a right winger, unless you live in a silo that is intolerant to it No, but it's obviously going to alienate a large swath of the consumer base, i.e. most people able to and interested in buying an electric car. > Commenting on downvotes is done to try and get people to second guess their knee jerk reaction It's the only reason I flagged your comment. Also, really? Do you think a speech is s…

> most people able to and interested in buying an electric car

For what it's worth, I've wanted a tesla for many years. I haven't pulled the trigger because of the cost. I'm not sure how many right leaning techies there are out there, but we do exist. And when I worked on the West coast I learned pretty quickly that there are consequences if I share my political views. No clue how many more there are like me, but I'm certainly not the only one.

> Also, really? Do you think a speech is stronger if it ends with "obviously everyone in this room is going to disagree with me"?

I think free speech is strongest when differing views are tolerated. The fact that people feel they can't share their opinion is what damages free speech. I'm just trying to express that I feel I can't on HN, but I do feel some obligation to in an effort to be a good citizen. I wasn't aware of the rule. I also think it's comical that it's used to remove an otherwise reasonable comment entirely (this just punishes those who have different opinions from the main HN audience). I've learned that commenting on anything political here turns into a big distraction, so I was trying to take part but avoid some of the backlash.

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