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Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by someothherguyy »

N2yhWNXQN3k9 wrote: post #26
jiggawatts wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you confident to use such a tiny model on something so critical? I would never use anything smaller than a 70B model for anything even vaguely medical related!

Its summarisation, who cares if its right as long as you feel confident after reading it? /s. In my experience, even GPT-4o is terrible at revealing information from things longer than a few pages. It might be an issue with dimensionality reduction in general though. If you think about it, you can't really take away much of what is contained within any given amount of text with text, unless the source was produced ex…

Try to walk through a Wikipedia article having an LLM summarize every few paragraphs, its often wildly inaccurate.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mouse_ »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

Google doesn't pay them to be competition. Only to appear as such to keep regulators distracted.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mdaniel »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #50
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

> Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Because some project manager had "AI" on his performance goals this year. Firefox is buggy as hell - which is incomprehensible given its age, but older brother Netscape had the same problem 20-ish years ago. The Netscape 4.x days were absolute hell and you could go hardly a day without the browser crashing. Despite this, it's packed with nons…

> Firefox is buggy as hell

Don't you worry, I'm sure their new AI Assistant will generate a ton of bugfix code!!11 AI gonna take all teh jobs, or so I hear

But, as a more serious contribution: the sentiment "At this point Firefox needs to die and something new and manageable" is the same one which generates the infinite JavaScript treadmill akin to: "I don't like all those bloated JS frameworks, I want one slim and fast and manegable ... well, except this one other feature ... and this other ... oh, shit, this needs to die and have something new and manageable take its place ..."

It's not that I think Gecko is the bees knees, but I do think it has stepped on more than its fair share of real life landmines, and the Great Rewrite Theory means someone needs to spend all that time re-discovering them

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by askvictor »

reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

I've been using Zen recently - it's a fork/skin of Firefox that includes vertical tabs.

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by mdaniel »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #39
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

> What's their actual product differentiation from Chrome these days? Not being the progenitor and linchpin of surveillance capitalism.

And I can actually build and package it from source in about 2 hours, unlike the other monstrosity, which surely must lower the barrier to contribution. Almost as much as Bugzilla raises it, I guess :-(

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by soulofmischief »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #88
reissbaker wrote: post #32

Why does Mozilla always spin their wheels releasing random side projects? Cloud-hosting an outdated tiny LLM that you can't swap out or run locally, to do basic summarization? This just doesn't feel like an area of strategic focus that makes sense for Mozilla. GPUs are expensive, talent to do inference well is expensive, and the actual product they're shipping seems pretty marginally useful at best. If they shipped v…

For me, the product differentiation of Firefox is a bunch of small convenience features which Chrome in its monolithism refuses to provide, such as: Allowing Backspace to go back a page. The built-in screenshot tool. Being able to turn off smooth scrolling. Support for a menubar, so that I can navigate the features I want quickly. Being able to choose page encodings (I use a non-Latin charset language). A usable/usef…

Don't forget the option for sane, standard behavior with shift+tab. Chrome refuses to let you customize shortcut behavior like that

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

sitkack wrote: post #75
BadHumans wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any revelation that Google is siphoning data out of other companies GCP instances would be so earth-shattering I don't think it is happening.

If you aren't running an encrypted disk on any cloud provider you should absolutely fundamentally understand that your data has been scanned and that your VM data is "business data" so a copy gets sent to whomever wants it, in bulk.

Proof for this claim?

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by askvictor »

sitkack wrote: post #80
Dalewyn wrote: post #29

Shit like this is why Mozilla deserves to die. They have overstayed their welcome and just drag the rest of us all down.

Firefox needs to be forked and owned by the people. I'd pay $1 a month for a browser run by the people. Management and extension options could be rolled out for government, business, education, etc. There are so many models where the browser thrives, the org that shepherds the browser thrives, and the people thrive. Firefox is like the shitty best option that camps out in its niche, it sucks but it is really hard to…

And who are 'the people'? It's an open source product, developed by a non-profit organisation. You want the government to release a browser? I can tell you how popular that will be...

Re: Orbit by Mozilla

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Post by soulofmischief »

teruakohatu wrote: post #72
brokencode wrote: post #67

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Mozilla is almost totally dependent on payments from Google to survive. If Google stops the payments, Mozilla probably goes out of business. I think it’s pretty clear why they keep on doing this type of side project. They are trying anything they can think of to diversify revenue.

> from Google to survive. If Google stops the payments, Mozilla probably goes out of business. > I think it’s pretty clear why they keep on doing this type of side project. It’s not clear to me. I agree they would have some problems if Google declined to pay them because the next best offer would be lower. But the best way to keep these payments, or to increase them, is by making a better browser and giving people a…

Browsers are a means to an end for other major providers excluding for Opera. They can be loss leaders even, as long as they do their job of steering users towards proprietary ecosystems
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