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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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they may be confused by it yet it is not a hard concept

Therefore it's a bad concept.

are all hard to understand concepts bad concepts?

are hard concepts from math and science bad concepts? should we discard calculus?

is potty training a toddler a bad concept? they initially struggle with it and some find it hard

is a healthy diet a bad concept? people without prior knowledge of what's healthy and what isn't are likely to struggle

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I think that is federation working as intended. These instance admins are exercising their right to free speech by not federating with instances that contain content they disagree with or disallow on their instance. I think it's not at all comparable to a corporate entity like X being in full control and able to censor any content. You may create your own instance and federate with the instances you want. If an insta…

Of course they have a right to free speech, but when I'm choosing a platform it's the user experience that matters to me and not the rights of the operators. Twitter lets me visit or follow any other account on the platform and see what they have to say, and the ability to do that across a wide range of interests and viewpoints is exactly why I use it. If Mastodon requires setting up a custom server to replicate that…

Look at how many instances agreed to block Threads even before it added ActivityPub support because Mark Zuckerberg doesn't ban (legal) opinions and comments he doesn't agree with.

Some people are so insecure about their own opinions that the pure idea that someone exists that might not agree the same is a threat, never mind seeing their content.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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A similar but I think simpler approach is to just act like a celebrity or a brand. When X celebrity joins a social network, their fans follow them on that platform. When the celebrity leaves and goes elsewhere, the fans follow. The value follows the celebrity because the celebrity’s value isn’t in the content on the social network, it’s in their personal brand itself. Therefore if you’re going to invest in creating v…

I‘m not sure if this actually works. In 2019 the live streaming platform mixer tried this and payed several of the biggest streamers a lot of money for exclusive contracts. The userbase didn’t follow and the service was shut down a year later.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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“Political” and “decentralized” Are not mutually exclusive. In fact, any platform that uses decentralization as a selling point is inherently political, as the only ones that care about decentralization are the ones who care about politics. Everyone else is just trying to see what the famous person said last week or what their friend did on vacation. Corpo social media does solve for that.

> “Political” and “decentralized” Are not mutually exclusive. > any platform that uses decentralization as a selling point is inherently political This hasn't said anything of value, since everything is political. Limiting your interaction with the world to sanitized corporate/Hollywood social media is political. Using no social media at all is political. And so on.

> This hasn't said anything of value, since everything is political.

I really disagree with this statement. Many things are political, but not everything. (Unless you’re abstracting the word political to the point of it meaning any human relationship. At which point the word isn’t useful)

Some choices are just convenience.

Most people with an iPhone don’t choose to text on messenger because of a political opinion, it’s just because it’s the default app on their phone.

I use discord frequently because all of my friends are on there, not because I particularly care for their politics.

My choice to not use social media sites like fb and Twitter was fueled by mental health concerns and the time I’d sink into them, not because they lean left or right.

> Limiting your interaction with the world to sanitized corporate/Hollywood social media is political.

Not necessarily. Most people don’t know they’re limiting their interaction.

They just want updates about things they care about. That need not be about politics.

Just because a choice may have political ramifications doesn’t mean that it was a choice made for political reasons.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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People with similar mindsets gather on the same platform and ultimately create an echo chamber. If that's what you want, you can do the same on X/Twitter by creating your own "network". Just don't use the recommendation system and that's it.

Abolishing a platform is merely a form of performance art.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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> “Political” and “decentralized” Are not mutually exclusive. > any platform that uses decentralization as a selling point is inherently political This hasn't said anything of value, since everything is political. Limiting your interaction with the world to sanitized corporate/Hollywood social media is political. Using no social media at all is political. And so on.

> This hasn't said anything of value, since everything is political. I really disagree with this statement. Many things are political, but not everything. (Unless you’re abstracting the word political to the point of it meaning any human relationship. At which point the word isn’t useful) Some choices are just convenience. Most people with an iPhone don’t choose to text on messenger because of a political opinion, it…

> Some choices are just convenience. > Most people don’t know they’re limiting their interaction.

Sure, but they often carry political implications (even if the choice/chooser was unconscious of them)

> Most people with an iPhone don’t choose to text on messenger because of a political opinion, it’s just because it’s the default app on their phone.

That's not the best example to make your point considering many people see iPhones (and its "exclusive" text bubble color) as an economic and social class signifier.

The insane planned obsolescence model of the iPhone necessitating constant replacement has environmental consequences, etc. Once again, the end user being unaware of all of this does not prevent it from still being very real.

> Just because a choice may have political ramifications doesn’t mean that it was a choice made for political reasons.

Never said otherwise. A reminder of what I replied to:

> In fact, any platform that uses decentralization as a selling point is inherently political, as the only ones that care about decentralization are the ones who care about politics.

My original point was that merely "avoiding political things" by using platform Y instead of Z does not exempt one from being political. The act of choosing to opt out of politics in this way or any other is literally political and has real consequences.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I understand a blog on your own domain is your land in regard to microblogging platforms. But what would be my land in regard to community software, like Telegram or Discord? Is there any software like this that I can host on my domain?

Matrix/Discourse? But like all self hosted solution, it's harder to use than a managed product. I think they're both excellent though, and pretty common in some circles.

Hosted Matrix can be a good sweet spot: https://matrix.org/ecosystem/hosting/

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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I use none of these, and generally agree that the world would be a better place if we could magically get rid of all social media. But Twitter is filled with much, much more hate and disinformation than its alternatives. I'd say it is definitely worse than the others.

If we could cut people's tongues out the world would be a better place. I don't know, I think communication can provide a fertile ground for good exchanges as well as bad. It's just somewhat stifled in the current forms.

That's obviously not what I meant. Communication on current social media has only led us into a new era of populism, and seems to only worsen political polarization. Unless something changes, I will continue to think it does more harm than good.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Matrix/Discourse? But like all self hosted solution, it's harder to use than a managed product. I think they're both excellent though, and pretty common in some circles.

My team uses Matrix and I must say I'm not satisfied. There are messages that I get a notification for every time I open the app, and "mark as read" buttons that do nothing, especially if you use threads. This is something that has supposedly been fixed many times, but it's one of these persistent issues that keep coming back. Also, as far as I can tell, there is no real diversity in clients even though Matrix is in…

Correct notifications are essential for a messaging app/service.

If people hit those bugs, I hope some of them have the time to speak up in the Matrix channel for that app/platform or find/create/bump the Github issue for it. While Matrix needs continued love, its ecosystem seems like a great protocol & app to keep supporting with feedback.

Messaging apps are hard to get all perfect (even some major ones, not naming names), and what Matrix accomplishes is pretty impressive; I hope Matrix & Element will continue to mature. (For hope, the first iPhone was pretty limited and easy to dis, but look at it now.)

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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> a significant difference from what X ever permitted I'm glad you specified "X" there; Twitter, of course, used to have a very good API. The bar has undoubtedly lowered.

My memory fails, despite the fact that in 2012 I used the Twitter API, but I don't think it was this easy and open for Twitter before X, was it ?

Parts of it certainly were. I built a somewhat widely deployed feed widget back in ~2009/2010 that worked via JSON-P and public access.

I assume this is all ancient history now and a distant memory to most, but there was an era where Twitter’s API was a ton of fun to work with.

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