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VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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As long as it’s accurate. The current technical implementation is a joke. The car has no idea what the speed limit is. A few examples: 1) drive past the end of town sign in a particular German town, the car thinks it is 30kph, but only during the day because at night it doesn’t see the sign so it thinks it’s 50 where in reality it’s a 100 until the next speed limit, 2) driving between a couple of roundabouts inside o…

> So what is going to happen when that mythical zero casualties is reached and more people will be dying on bicycles than in car accidents? I don't think anything will need to happen at that point. We wouldn't need to tackle down the top causes of death if the numbers were low, as seems to be the case of bicycle deaths not caused by cars. And when it comes to speeding, it's already against the law, so the technology…

The problem is that it doesn’t matter what you think, or what I think. What matters is what the bureaucrat in Brussels thinks. The bureaucrat doesn’t care. They are driven everywhere and fly on their private jets.

It’s also illegal to participate in the traffic drunk yet I routinely see drunk people riding bicycles and scooters in regular traffic, often ignoring traffic lights, often with their face glued to a phone. That’s half a problem, the other problem is those same people with those same things on the sidewalk. I bet you, a ton of those people do not even have a driving license and/or understanding of traffic rules. Humans will be humans. First they cry for cycling paths, when they get them, they don’t use them. Cannot win stupid.

As a pedestrian in the city I want scooters and bicycles regulated AND enforced. But nobody cares. I stopped counting how many times I have to do acrobatics to walk around scooters and bicycles left in the middle of the sidewalk.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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EVs are topping the list of (imho) useless extras in cars. I'm still cherishing my Honda Fit pre-touchscreen edition. I'm going to drive it until it will fall apart. My next car will be an EV but I have yet to find one that still comes with mechanical features (door handles, knobs/buttons), without a whole battery of surveillance/telemetry tech and (crossing fingers) exchangable batteries. Simple electric propulsion…

I hate touchscreen buttons too and unfortunately all EVs I've seen have adopted that. I wonder if there are EVs with good old fashioned mechanical buttons.

Kia/hyundai, best EVs imho

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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More like automated ticketing for speeding.

I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.

Earlier today my car thought I was on a 10mph road, I was in a 60

Earlier it said I was on a 30mph road despite being on a 20mph road

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Dangerous as hell. Imagine there’s a runaway truck behind you and you can’t speed up to avoid or at least soften the collision because of some government enforced handicap. It would also give local governments a power they never had before: To directly control your behavior in the moment, with no judicial control or oversight. No, thank you.

There will always be contrived bogeyman edge cases to scare us from doing something. The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? I bet the answer is yes. In the US every single day 100 families are torn apart by a death on the road. I’m sure you don’t want it to be yours.

> The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths?

Speed doesn’t kill, it’s the sudden stopping that does.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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post #93

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I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.

Earlier today my car thought I was on a 10mph road, I was in a 60 Earlier it said I was on a 30mph road despite being on a 20mph road

This summer Apple Maps believed I teleported 200m into a corn field for long enough it told me to return to the route. The location kept updating, moving in parallel to my real location.

What is the speed limit in that field?

Would a car suffer from similar problems? Should it continue at the original rate of speed or slam the brakes?

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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We need a way to disable vehicle telemetry.

No, a software switch is not enough. We need to be able to physically unplug the cellular modem entirely and have the vehicle work with 100% functionality (barring features which inherently require cellular connectivity like turning the heating on remotely)

Car manufacturers' features are mostly useless anyway thanks to Android Auto/Apple CarPlay

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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If it so bad there is actually a whistleblower then how do they pass their ISO27001 audits? Bit too friendly with TUV Nord? https://cariad.technology/content/dam/digitalmindofmobility/... EDIT: Just noticed this is an ISO9001 certificate. Though on their job offer site they do ask for "Foundational understanding of security related regulations and standards preferred (e.g. ISO21434, ISO27001, NIST-800)". Unclear if t…

Not sure about 27000, but ISO9001 is a paper audit only: you pass or fail them based on your defined business processes. The technical configuration of your systems is outside the scope of the audit.

Re: VW breach exposes location of 800k electric vehicles

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Hey EU, maybe mandate an opt out for all vehicle telemetry? Then maybe the rest of the world will follow suit. I know, I know, I am kidding myself.

Nah, make it illegal to collect any kind of identifiable data in the first place.

It already is and this will go to EU courts.
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