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Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by neonsunset »

cristianbica wrote: post #84
neonsunset wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During their black friday / cyber monday load peak, Shopify averaged between ~0.85 and ~1.94 back-to-back RPS per CPU core. Take from that what you will. Reference: https://x.com/ShopifyEng/status/1863953413559472291

Obviously you meant for the whole infrastructure: ruby / rails workers, Mysql, Kafka, whatever other stuff their app needs (redis, memcache, etc), loadbalancers, infrastructure monitoring, etc.

This is correct! I thought this was clear but I guess not...

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by phoronixrly »

Alifatisk wrote: post #73
ciconia wrote: post #4

Ruby is getting more and more awesome these last few years, especially when it comes to performance. Since 3.3 I've been running all my apps with --yjit, it makes a tremendous difference!

Wait until you hear about TruffleRuby

Thanks, but no thanks. Never touching anything by oracle.

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by pjmlp »

Chetan496 wrote: post #77
pjmlp wrote: post #39

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That has been the story of every dynamic language since forever, thankfully the whole AI focus has made JITs finally matter in CPython world as well. Personally I have learnt this lesson back in 2000's, in the age of AOLServer, Vignette, and our own Safelayer product. All based on Apache, IIS and Tcl. We were early adopters of .NET, when it was only available to MSFT Partners and never again, using scripting language…

Hey, I have worked on the Outsystems platform. Developed some applications. Do you work at Outsystems?

No, I worked with the founders at a previous startup, Intervento, which became part of an EasyPhone acquisition, which got later renamed into Altitude Software alongside other acquisitions.

They eventually left and founded OutSystems with what we learned since the Intervento days, OutSystems is of the greatest startup stories in the Portuguese industry.

This was all during dotcom wave from the 2000's, instead I left to CERN.

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by TheSmoke »

FBISurveillance wrote: post #24
t-writescode wrote: post #15

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Rails has some very, very good features that make standing up a CRUD app with an administrative backend _very easy_. It's also got a bunch of semi-functional-programming paradigms throughout that make life quite a bit easier when you get used to using them. Honestly, if it had types by default and across all / most of its packages easily (no. Sorbet + Rails is pain, or at least was last I tried), I'd probably recomme…

I love Rails and spent a good chunk of my career using it - and I'd recommend it more if only the frontend story wasn't that bumpy over the years with all the variations of asset pipelines. I wish the TypeScript/React integration was easier. Say what you will but there's no way you can achieve interactivity and convenience of React (et al) UIs with Turbo/Hotwire in a meaningful time.

I definitely suggest using vite and the vite ruby gem. Create your Rails app, Create your TS + React app with vite, add the vite gem and done. It does not get better than that. Super fantastic.

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by lucasoshiro »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #7

What does ruby do well that other languages don't? What is the niche it's trying to fill?

Ruby is something like a "improved" Python, with a better OO system, a code block syntax that makes it easy to use callbacks, more consistent standard libraries, etc. It could be what Python is today.

I wouldn't say niche, but the killer app of Ruby is Rails, a web framework similar to Django. In fact, many people treat them as they are the same. But there are big projects that use Ruby and that are not related to Rails. As far as I remember: Metasploit, Homebrew, Vagrant and Jekyll.

Personally I think Ruby is amazing language for writing shell scripts. I write a blog post about it, you can see it and its discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40763640

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by yyyyz »

lucasoshiro wrote: post #95
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #7

What does ruby do well that other languages don't? What is the niche it's trying to fill?

Ruby is something like a "improved" Python, with a better OO system, a code block syntax that makes it easy to use callbacks, more consistent standard libraries, etc. It could be what Python is today. I wouldn't say niche, but the killer app of Ruby is Rails, a web framework similar to Django. In fact, many people treat them as they are the same. But there are big projects that use Ruby and that are not related to Ra…

Can you name one way Ruby has parity with Python? Ruby is a dead language that uses sponsored posts here. Nobody actually uses this since like 2018 but some people are paid to hype it up. Just look at the empty praise. No real applications mentioned.

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by junek »

badsectoracula wrote: post #90
omoikane wrote: post #2

I am most excited about the parser change, previously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36310130 - Rewriting the Ruby parser (2023-06-13, 176 comments) I remember being taught to use yacc in our compiler course because "writing it by hand is too hard". But looks like Ruby joins the growing list of languages that have hand-written parsers, apparently working with generated parsers turned out to be e…

> I remember being taught to use yacc in our compiler course because "writing it by hand is too hard". But looks like Ruby joins the growing list of languages that have hand-written parsers, apparently working with generated parsers turned out to be even harder in the long run. I've been writing parsers for simple (and sometimes not so simple) languages ever since i was in middle school and learned about recursive de…

My hot take is that the allure of parser-generators is mostly academic. If you're designing a language it's good practice to write out a formal grammar for it, and then it feels like it should be possible to just feed that grammar to a program and have it spit out a fully functional parser.

In practice, parser generators are always at least a little disappointing, but that nagging feeling that it _should_ work remains.

Edit: also the other sense of academic, if you have to teach students how to do parsing, and need to teach formal grammar, then getting two birds with one stone is very appealing.

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by lucasoshiro »

speleding wrote: post #11
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #7

What does ruby do well that other languages don't? What is the niche it's trying to fill?

It's the language with the highest ratio of (useful work / LOC), so it's the least verbose language. This makes it very suitable to write and understand complex scripts, because the reduced boilerplate means less cognitive overhead for the programmer. As a result, experienced programmers can be extremely productive with it. The well-known Rails framework uses this to great effect, however, some people argue that the…

I see some people saying that Ruby is too much "magic", while what is magic is Rails. Ruby itself can have its high useful work / LoC ratio thanks to its syntax. For example, you can spawn a thread with:

thread = Thread.new do # thread code end

...

thread.join

In this example we can see that it's not magic, only concise.

I wrote more about it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40763640

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by pawelduda »

yyyyz wrote: post #96
lucasoshiro wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ruby is something like a "improved" Python, with a better OO system, a code block syntax that makes it easy to use callbacks, more consistent standard libraries, etc. It could be what Python is today. I wouldn't say niche, but the killer app of Ruby is Rails, a web framework similar to Django. In fact, many people treat them as they are the same. But there are big projects that use Ruby and that are not related to Ra…

Can you name one way Ruby has parity with Python? Ruby is a dead language that uses sponsored posts here. Nobody actually uses this since like 2018 but some people are paid to hype it up. Just look at the empty praise. No real applications mentioned.

Yes, nothing real, just some githubs and shopifys

Re: Ruby 3.4.0

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Post by codesnik »

tyre wrote: post #13
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #7

What does ruby do well that other languages don't? What is the niche it's trying to fill?

Not really a niche language. Fantastic web server development. A more flexible and powerful language than python—the metaprogramming can be ridiculously powerful (when done well)—without the nonsense of white space sensitivity. ActiveRecord is perhaps the best ORM out there. Rails has tons of functionality to get running. Overall, a pleasant and expressive language with an incredible community. Python ends up "winnin…

...but ruby is whitespace sensitive too. It's hard to notice, because rules mostly follow intuition, but there're cases when not only a missing newline, but absense or addition of a space changes resulting syntax. Currently I remember only difference in parsing unary vs binary operators, like + and *, and ternary operator ? : vs : in symbols, but there're certainly more other cases.
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