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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#92

Huh, weird license: https://github.com/futo-org/Grayjay.Desktop/blob/master/LICE... Not sure what this means, guess I'll have to treat it as good old "source available" software.

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Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#93

I’m excited. Are we ever going to see an iOS version?

The App Store forbids any app that violates the terms of service of any company [1], regardless of the legality [2]. Since YouTube forbids alternative clients in their terms of service, Apple will not allow Grayjay onto the App Store. Even in the EU, where multiple app stores are available, you still need to follow a subset of the App Store guidelines. I looked through them and it appears that the ToS violation guideline is in fact exempt for EU apps [1], so they could release a version in the EU exclusively. However, they may be subject to the Core Technology Fee.

[1] 5.2.2, 5.2.3: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#int...

[2] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/federal-judge-rules-it...

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#94

The best feature of alternative YT clients IMO is "multiple subscription lists". I have so many subscriptions, when using the official YouTube app or site the "subscriptions" feed is overwhelming, and I prefer not to use the algorithmically-generated "home" feed. Since YT has kind of become the de facto "place to upload videos on the Internet", video topics are broad enough to constitute multiple web sites, and I lik…

Reddit had the same issue not too long ago. I remember a popular post where a user described their workaround of creating an account for each field of interest. To Reddit's credit, they did implement custom feeds not to long after, which lets you group batches of subreddits. Not something I'd expect YouTube to do.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#95
post #79

Recommending (and running) `xattr -c` can be extremely dangerous. I would suggest withholding Mac releases until they can be distributed/run safely.

As someone not very familiar, is there any legitimate reason why they say "Our Apple signing/notarization is not entirely done yet"? It feels extremely suspicious, given that I download lots of other popular utility software from independent devs and I've never had to do that before.

As a platform that basically started as a way to watch Youtube without tracking and ads, I think Grayjay should be sceptical of any third party code signing validation requirements. The copyright lobby has gone after software and its distributors before, even if it doesn't inherently pirate any content without user configuration.

I don't know why this app would need Apple's signature in the first place, seeing as it's not distributed through the app store. Is this like how you need to pay for a certificate to make the "are you sure you want to run this" prompt look less scary?

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#96
post #56

Linux version seems to work good. Was able to sync with my phone with no issues. My only complaint with either of them is YT Shorts support. I'll have to stick with Freetube for that I guess since there is a couple of creators that I follow that only release shorts

Having no Shorts would be a huge plus imho

Grayjay dev here, shorts will come, but on a tab you can turn off.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#97
post #79

Recommending (and running) `xattr -c` can be extremely dangerous. I would suggest withholding Mac releases until they can be distributed/run safely.

As someone not very familiar, is there any legitimate reason why they say "Our Apple signing/notarization is not entirely done yet"? It feels extremely suspicious, given that I download lots of other popular utility software from independent devs and I've never had to do that before.

There are a couple of legitimate reasons, namely the expense/KYC process of an Apple Developer Program membership and/or the complexity of integrating signing + notarization into existing build pipelines (but XCode does makes it pretty straightforward to cut an ad-hoc release that is signed and notarized).

In my opinion at least, the most likely reason is that Apple is refusing to notarize the software. If this is the case, people really should not be running it.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#98

Linux version seems to work good. Was able to sync with my phone with no issues. My only complaint with either of them is YT Shorts support. I'll have to stick with Freetube for that I guess since there is a couple of creators that I follow that only release shorts

Does freetube has macos arm app yet? I found emulated one unbearably slow.

Re: Grayjay Desktop App

#100

We always been missing good 3rd party search/trending for online videos. I've been using a youtube frontend called pockettube, where I could make lists(channels) for content I like, without youtube forcing me what to watch. Example. I have an Art and Food channels with my favorite content creators, I get to see the list in order of newest videos first, totally bypassing youtubes forced interface. In fact, if people s…

Grayjay dev here, the idea is to have a plugin system for recommendation engines in the future. You can choose whichever recommendation engine you like and it will tell you what data will be sent to the recommendation engine in order to be able to make recommendations for you. There will likely also be recommendation plugins that run fully offline for people who care a lot about privacy.
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