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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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On a normalized basis in the USA? 1 fatality per ~4000-5000 years of driving. 1 injury per ~60-70 years of driving. Can you point to scientifically rigorous evidence, at least reaching the bare minimum of fit for publication, of the absolute level of safety of those systems and where they stand in comparison? How many people am I allowed to kill or injure before I need to run scientific studies on unproven and empiri…

This rebuttal is fine, i guess, but to answer your final question: At least 1645 deaths if your government is british. I forget the US numbers, but globally you can kill upwards of 30,000 people with unproven and empirically fatal technology.

Really, you are arguing that I get to kill 1645 in the UK before I have to show any scientifically rigorous evidence? I get to do 1645 drives and kill the passenger every time before anybody cares?

That is not only insane, but empirically false in the USA as people cared very greatly about Cruise injuring people during the development process.

You have to be answering the question: “Assuming we already know for a fact that the technology is safer than a human driver, then, if scaled to all drives, how many can die annually and still be morally justifiable?”

My question is: “How many do I get to kill before I need to figure out if I am killing fewer people?” That is the basic question to be asked during the development process of any unproven dangerous technology to minimize sacrifices to technological dead ends.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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I don't see how Waymo is going to survive the onslaught that is CyberCab. Cheaper to build and operate, more efficient, much faster to build, and deployable across all cities without any manual configuration. The clock is ticking on Waymo, they have 2 years to figure out how to compete otherwise they're cooked. It's very similar to legacy space and internet, the existing players saw SpaceX coming years out, did nothi…

Oh ye of little faith, why wait for cybercab when the model 3 was driving NY to LA driveway to driveway in 2018. Waymo died years ago

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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post #59

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I don't see how Waymo is going to survive the onslaught that is CyberCab. Cheaper to build and operate, more efficient, much faster to build, and deployable across all cities without any manual configuration. The clock is ticking on Waymo, they have 2 years to figure out how to compete otherwise they're cooked. It's very similar to legacy space and internet, the existing players saw SpaceX coming years out, did nothi…

Oh ye of little faith, why wait for cybercab when the model 3 was driving NY to LA driveway to driveway in 2018. Waymo died years ago

possible context... summoning from NY to LA around January 2018 was a real promise by Musk.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920

edit: removed talk of downvotes, just providing the tweet.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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post #69

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Oh ye of little faith, why wait for cybercab when the model 3 was driving NY to LA driveway to driveway in 2018. Waymo died years ago

possible context... summoning from NY to LA around January 2018 was a real promise by Musk. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/686279251293777920 edit: removed talk of downvotes, just providing the tweet.

thanks for the context, shitposting is hard to detect!

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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I don't see how Waymo is going to survive the onslaught that is CyberCab. Cheaper to build and operate, more efficient, much faster to build, and deployable across all cities without any manual configuration. The clock is ticking on Waymo, they have 2 years to figure out how to compete otherwise they're cooked. It's very similar to legacy space and internet, the existing players saw SpaceX coming years out, did nothi…

There is no proof that tesla can make FSD work with the level of safety they would need for a robitaxi service. Especially with camera only. If they do pull that off, or are able pivot to a fused sensor architecture then I do think their hardware potential will make them a good competitor.

I'm not up to speed on the area of autonomous driving at all. Does anyone know if Tesla is basing its next moves off just what the cameras see at the current moment that gets fed into the model? Or is there also a "mapped" component, where it looks up previously mapped information from other Teslas that have traversed this area before? That is what I understand Waymo and GM Supercruise do at least some of the time. There are only certain pre-mapped routes that Supercruise will work on.

https://electrek.co/2024/02/15/gm-nearly-doubles-map-super-c...

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Waymo needs competition. Who else is even close to being able to provide it? I'd hate to think Tesla is next in line because they haven't even started a commercial pilot program yet.

I don't see how Waymo is going to survive the onslaught that is CyberCab. Cheaper to build and operate, more efficient, much faster to build, and deployable across all cities without any manual configuration. The clock is ticking on Waymo, they have 2 years to figure out how to compete otherwise they're cooked. It's very similar to legacy space and internet, the existing players saw SpaceX coming years out, did nothi…

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Waymo's strategy traded "do robotaxi early" in exchange for big penalties in cost-per-car (LIDAR) and cost-per-city (requirement for millimeter mapping). Yes it gets them early service in a small number of cities, but it dramatically kneecaps their ability to scale to the entire planet.

it dramatically kneecaps their ability to scale to the entire planet. Why do they need to scale to the entire planet?

If they don't someone else will. And then they'll risk being pushed out even of the cities that they pioneered.

They might have a plan to nail that specific niche, and there's plenty of money in that. But I am certain they have their eyes on the largest possible scale.

Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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It makes you wonder how much more effective U.S. auto makers might be without the regulation that requires them to sell through dealerships.

Isn't Tesla service worse than the dealerships? Maybe things have changed, my opinion is completely based on what I've read on the Internet.

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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house

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Car sales in the US go down every year and have since the 90s, were past peak car. They need to find a new market.

I'm not seeing that trend in this data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA ...maybe you are meaning something more specific?

He's probably thinking of this graph of car sales:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/199974/us-car-sales-sinc...

But, buyers are moving from cars to SUV's.

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