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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Do a search for 'UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients' and see what comes up. I'm not saying this is deserved, more that I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to just up and execute an insurance CEO.

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No, but this is a case where incorrect AI decisions may legitimately contribute to people's deaths. Let's also not normalize the idea that it's OK for people to die so one of the most profitable companies in the world can make even more money.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Do a search for 'UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients' and see what comes up. I'm not saying this is deserved, more that I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to just up and execute an insurance CEO.

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I don't think the parent poster is doing that, I think they are pointing out that when the ai products are faulty and result in the predictable deaths or suffering of people, someone out there might get angry enough to make bad choices.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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That's basically propaganda and half-admits it on the site. There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. The only private sales that happen are among criminals and within families. Regular people aren't going to risk the kind of charges that stem from misuse after a private sale. Certainly nobody w…

Florida resident, have bought one without filling out any paperwork. Concealed carry license was paperwork though. I guess we're haggling over the background check? Sure, I concede I had to give them a page of info with a copy of my FL driver's license. https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs2.aspx ("Florida does not require a permit to purchase a firearm nor is there a permit that exempts any person from the backgroun…

Filling out the background check is still an application to own a gun, eg a "permit application". Just because the government wants to pretend that it isn't a permit (for second amendment reasons) doesn't mean it's not a permit.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's basically propaganda and half-admits it on the site. There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. The only private sales that happen are among criminals and within families. Regular people aren't going to risk the kind of charges that stem from misuse after a private sale. Certainly nobody w…

Lol what? Neighbors and loose friends buy guns from each other all the time. In Michigan at least, you only even need a permit if it's a handgun -- rifles and shotguns don't require an iota of state involvement and as long as you're reasonably sure the buyer isn't a prohibited person, there's no real liability either.

Only if you're idiots.

Edit: Especially the kind that would post about it on the internet and snitch on themselves and attract undue attention from the ATF.

But yeah, some very small percentage of people are stupid and/or criminal. 99.99% of gun purchases in the US happen through an FFL with a background check and everything.

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It's wild that we let insurance companies label government triage as "death panels" while for-profit denial innovation got a free pass.

Indeed, the insurance companies deserve a ton of blame too. They rightly have death panels but use scare tactics to keep people away from gov health insurance that does the same. Still, theyre playing by the rules the gov came up with. Fee for service is a horrible healthcare strategy and insurance is forced into it.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Just want to caution everyone to not jump to conclusions. Remember when Bob Lee was shot in San Francisco and everyone assumed it was because of how unsafe San Francisco is? And then it turned out to be another tech exec?

Beyond the one motive we can think of, this person (like any person) had other things going on in their life. We have no idea what the motive was until the killer is found.

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CNBC reports that the gunman used a silencer. Wtf?

In the interest of brevity, they're not called silencers, they're called suppressors since they don't "silence" anything like in a Hollywood movie. Typically a suppressor will reduce the sound signature of a gunshot from something like 140dBA to 110dBA. Still enough to cause hearing damage and be heard a quarter mile away.

Off-topic, but the US is, oddly, a bit of an outlier compared to some of our cousins on the other side of the Atlantic, where buying one can be an over the counter transaction. It's weird to be in a situation where the US is more restrictive in anything related to firearms, but I assume the European attitude is that it reduces nuisance when gun ownership is more regulated at the front end.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Is that not usually reserved for people with tech or tech adjacent contributions? EDIT: I know nothing about this person other than he was CEO of an insurance company, which I learned about 1 minute ago.

It is, yes.
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