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Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by cadamsau »

michaelt wrote: post #83
klntsky wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the fees on ethereum L2s? Your opinion may be slightly outdated, I wouldn't consider a single digit number of cents a large fee

I buy a magazine where $3 gets you 114 short articles, each about 1/3rd of a page. So I'm paying 2.6¢ per article, if I read every single one. Some people dream of 'micropayments' at a similar price point. Being able to buy a single article for about 2.6¢.

True, but that’s made possible by the aggregator (the publisher who’s printed the magazine)

This dream of eliminating that middle-person is still a dream.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by fjfaase »

The European Union is working on a standard for QR-code payments [1]. In the Netherlands, most banking app already understand QR-code for payments. There are serviced that offer a possibility to ask for a payment without a specified amount that do not the reveal the bank account of the requester.

If this could be turned into a world wide standard, one could add a link to a QR code in a web page to request for donations. One should realize that there are very different payments systems in the world and that there are payment companies, think credit card companies, that have good reasons to resist these kind of global standards.

[1] https://www.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu/document-library/guid...

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by kordlessagain »

hugs wrote: post #64
grues-dinner wrote: post #33

This is the one thing that I actually thought cryptocurrency would help - getting small adhoc payments out from under the bootheel of Mastercard and Visa, and especially for international transfers that cross between, say, the MC/Visa duopoly regions into other ones like the Asian ecosystems. But instead it's slow, inconsistent, inconvenient, balkanised, dripping with scams, criminals and bad actors and still involve…

I think this is a good application for the Lightning Network, specifically if people use a Lightning Address where the address uses the same domain as the URL of the webpage. There are a lot of people in Lightning world who also hate scams (and any other crypto coin for that matter) and just want to make this work as money (and already have). A real-world example where Lightning Network is already working is Nostr. I…

Don’t forget the l402 stuff!

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by Retric »

michaelt wrote: post #83
klntsky wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the fees on ethereum L2s? Your opinion may be slightly outdated, I wouldn't consider a single digit number of cents a large fee

I buy a magazine where $3 gets you 114 short articles, each about 1/3rd of a page. So I'm paying 2.6¢ per article, if I read every single one. Some people dream of 'micropayments' at a similar price point. Being able to buy a single article for about 2.6¢.

My dream is for ~5c micropayments, where the money goes either goes to the publisher or a charity depending on if I liked it after the fact. Basically fighting low quality clickbait without the publisher being able to tell which I specifically did.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by J_Shelby_J »

daveguy wrote: post #90
klntsky wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the fees on ethereum L2s? Your opinion may be slightly outdated, I wouldn't consider a single digit number of cents a large fee

Single digit cents is not a large fee, but blockchain fees are dynamic. And the more traffic, the more expensive. I would not appreciate if that 2.6 cents suddenly became $2.60. Also the maximum number of transactions for Bitcoin (not sure etherium) is about 10/s. Processors like Visa and MasterCard process thousands of transactions per second. And if every article read is another transaction that would need at least…

Yes. Solana has been sub-cent for it's entire lifespan. So have other blockchains. They're not going to ever be above a cent by design.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by QuiDortDine »

paxys wrote: post #32

The open web is a platform for freeloaders. Since day 1 the expectation is that whatever is accessible will be free. And whatever isn't will be made free by whatever means necessary. Web content creators/publishers don't bother with micropayments infrastructure because no one is going to pay. Ads are a proven business model and they are going to stay. There are other platforms where micropayments have in fact been so…

"Solved" in the sense that Twitch gets 50% of the payment. This is an outrageous cut.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by jarsin »

jeremyjh wrote: post #55
echelon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a friend claiming bitcoin is a "store of value, tool for the de-banked (politically right), hedge against the rapidly inflating dollar, more valuable than gold" (paraphrasing). He further claims that "bitcoin can't be faked like 'uninspected' gold reserves" that are supposedly just "painted iron ingots". I want to scream. This is a speculative investment with more bad actors involved than the SEC has investiga…

Notice he isn't claiming its a currency, even if we take all the claims at face value. Apparently he is not alone though as the value has climbed 33% since the election. I had not even heard of this fantasy of a TrUmP crypto boom.

Trump just promoted David Sacks to the position of Crypto/AI Czar. You can't make this up.

I will give Trump credit for putting AI and Crypto in the same department though.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by lmm »

edward wrote: post #80

It's worth noting that Ted Nelson's visionary Xanadu project had actually addressed this issue decades ago. In the original design of Project Xanadu, rule 9 states "Every document can contain a royalty mechanism at any desired degree of granularity to ensure payment on any portion accessed, including virtual copies ('transclusions') of all or part of the document." This suggests a foresighted approach to content mone…

> It's worth noting that Ted Nelson's visionary Xanadu project had actually addressed this issue decades ago. In the original design of Project Xanadu, rule 9 states "Every document can contain a royalty mechanism at any desired degree of granularity to ensure payment on any portion accessed, including virtual copies ('transclusions') of all or part of the document."

It's easy to address every possible issue when your project is vaporware and you can just write "royalty mechanism" rather than having to actually implement one.

Re: How do I pay the publisher of a web page?

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Post by AlienRobot »

This could be solved with a simple standard.

If we're talking "direct" payments, as much as it pains me to say it, it would be bitcoin, wouldn't it? Just put a wallet address in a and you're done. But with its operational overhead it may be a waste for micro-transactions compared to traditional payment methods.

To be honest, the real problem isn't that there is no way to mark this up, is that even if there WAS a way to mark this up, most people wouldn't because it's not a browser API. People don't even use RSS because browsers don't tell users about RSS links. There needs to be a tangible consequence of using a tag for people to bother with it. If a $ doesn't appear on the address bar, what is the point?

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