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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#91

The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with. We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

Best course of action at this time would be to properly arm Ukraine.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#92

I do not support the war, or violence in general. But EU & NATO ante engaged in a hybrid war with Russia. - It actively supports a military which is engaged with Russian forces - It has seized Russian financial assets - I doubt that attacks on Russian infrastructure are perpetuated (planned & executed) just buy Ukrainian forces I do not try to support any side by this statement. My point is that by any rational accou…

Russia has been involved in sabotage, shooting down planes with Europeans (MH17), killing people they don't like in EU/UK for years now. If anything EU is extremely timid and does not retaliate.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#93

I look forward to everybody completely missing the resolution to this mystery when it turns out it was something like a Danish sailing boat that got unlucky with their anchor...

How does the saying go? Once [1] is happenstance, twice [2] is coincidence, but thrice [3]...

[1] https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/finnish-governme...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-says-telecom-cab...

[3] https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/europe/undersea-cable-disrupt...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#94

It seems that the obvious solution could be Starlink-style meshes. Can anybody comment on how fragile the Starlink protocol would be during a war? If its line-of-sight, presumably it would be hard to jam?

Elon Musk is not someone Europe feels it can rely on in a crisis when Russia attacks

Elon Musk is probably the private individual who has done most for Ukraine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrain...

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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It's just practice. Locate the cables, establish a means of damaging them, deploy the means as a test and a show of force. The western economy is almost completely built using off-prem in Cloud PaaS environments. It should be pretty fun when WW3 starts and not a single hospital, school, laboratory, or factory can operate.

It also sends two messages: "We can do this to any of your cables", and "we're willing to" – with an implied "we could easily do it to all of them at the same time".

And the last scenario is the real problem: While there are enough cable repair ships to continuously handle a normal rate of simultaneous peak failures, fixing multiple cuts can quickly exceed their capacity. (There's nothing that says an attacker can only cut the same cable in one spot!)

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Maybe a strategic nuke on Kaliningrad if any provocation happens. Surely you must be joking about a first-strike nuclear provocation or larger. I would think almost anything other than a border incursion could be dealt with in other ways. Should Putin be held more accountable for his actions? Absolutely, but a nuclear response is not going to go well unless absolutely justified.

You are replying to a Russian bot, most likely.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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It's just practice. Locate the cables, establish a means of damaging them, deploy the means as a test and a show of force. The western economy is almost completely built using off-prem in Cloud PaaS environments. It should be pretty fun when WW3 starts and not a single hospital, school, laboratory, or factory can operate.

It also sends two messages: "We can do this to any of your cables", and "we're willing to" – with an implied "we could easily do it to all of them at the same time". And the last scenario is the real problem: While there are enough cable repair ships to continuously handle a normal rate of simultaneous peak failures, fixing multiple cuts can quickly exceed their capacity. (There's nothing that says an attacker can on…

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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#99

The constant Russian interference, combined with the regular escalation from the jets patrolling, and the radar jamming, really needs to be dealt with. We're stuck between having to do timid actions and full NATO escalation. This feels like constant creep.

I agree. Do you want to sign up and go fight in a war? Or should other people besides you die? It's easy to say it "needs to be dealt with" but it's not an easy thing to do.

It's never an easy thing to do or one that should come to fruition, but yes, I would contribute to the effort for my country if it was so.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

#100

So to keep score, in the last year we've seen cables sabotaged between Finland and Germany, Lithuania and Sweden, Estonia and Sweden, Estonia and Finland. Any others I missed? You might say it's too early to call it sabotage, but the earliest two cable incidents were exactly the same, so it's hardly a coincidence at this point.

Russia warned that they were going to do this last week. I think it's pretty reasonable to conclude that 1) this was sabotage and 2) it was Russia.

> Russia warned that they were going to do this last week

Source?

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