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Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by eitally »

dogmatism wrote: post #25

fucking Inigo San Milan and Peter Attia and their "zone 2" bullshit this is nothing new. Back in the day, the teaching was "ride in the little ring in winter" which was essentially Zone 2 Plus San Milan is tainted by his Saunier Duval years, and Attia is clearly a grifter Just fucking ride. Most of the time easy, once or twice a week hard now get off my lawn!

"most of the time easy" ... = z2. z1 isn't going to lead to any adaptations (or burn many calories, depending on your objective), and z3+ isn't "easy", so for all your agita about San Milan & Attia you're basically saying the same thing.

Or to tie this into running, too, the same thing Maffetone & Friel also espouse.

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by kitd »

shiroiushi wrote: post #41
mcdow wrote: post #8

Super cool. One improvement: get a different bike saddle. One that doesn't put pressure on the perineum. There's evidence to suggest extended time spent in a bicycle saddle can cause ED.[1] 1. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S17436...

What makes you think that saddle puts pressure on the author's perineum? A properly fitted road bike saddle is sized so all your weight is on your "sit bones", parts of your pelvis around the perineum. If your saddle is putting pressure on your perineum, that means it's the wrong saddle for you. The problem is different people have different-sized gaps between their sit bones, so different people need different saddl…

> If your saddle is putting pressure on your perineum, that means it's the wrong saddle for you.

I mean, that's pretty much what he said: "Get a different saddle"

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by thefaux »

0_____0 wrote: post #74

OP: equipment note for you at the end of this- Most folks aren't really familiar with what training for competitive cycling (or structured training in general) looks like. There are large, month-scale blocks where you're simply building aerobic capacity by cycling at low-ish intensity. Heart rate is somewhere between 115 and 145 for me personally during these efforts. 15 hour (or more!) weeks are not uncommon. Nils v…

I raced at an elite amateur level for about a decade and I never really saw the purpose of those huge zone 2 training blocks. Almost no races were more than four hours long and most were in the one to three hour range. It felt like there was a lot of cargo culting of european pros who had very different requirements given the far longer races they were doing over there. Unless you are an aspiring pro or willing to sacrifice your life to cycling, I tend to think those long z2 blocks are a waste of time. I loved riding, but I found zone 2 rides to be pure drudgery if done more than a few times a month.

Hard intervals a few days a week with one or two long rides every week or two are more than enough to race at the cat 1 level (assuming above average VO2 max and if you don't have that no amount of z2 is going to make you competitive anyway). At my peak, my threshold was around 5 W/Kg, ~10 W/Kg for 1 minute and 20+ W/Kg for 5 seconds. My biggest week of training was less than 20 hours and I averaged around 10 hours per week for the years I was racing.

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by 0_____0 »

newsclues wrote: post #82
0_____0 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand what training to be a competitive cyclist looks like. 15 ish hours of relatively constant power per week sounds about right for base phase, which tends to coincide with winter. This is different from rec riding.

I used to commute 1.5-2 hours each way to and from work, 5 days a week. Sometimes I’d go for a ride at lunch too. In Calgary where the weather sucks. Think I was doing about 1200km per month. Just a filthy casual cyclist tho.

Christ almighty, we've found a hardman. Point taken.

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by vinceguidry »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #58
grakker wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

warpd has helped me, as far as limiting annoying mouse use. https://github.com/rvaiya/warpd

I’m yet to deploy this but want to, how have you found it?

It's great, I mostly get by with Tridactyl on the browser but there's the odd website that doesn't work well with it. Warpd does better than anything else at this job. I do have a keymap to get the pointer out of the way, warpd is quite scriptable.

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by 0_____0 »

thefaux wrote: post #93
0_____0 wrote: post #74

OP: equipment note for you at the end of this- Most folks aren't really familiar with what training for competitive cycling (or structured training in general) looks like. There are large, month-scale blocks where you're simply building aerobic capacity by cycling at low-ish intensity. Heart rate is somewhere between 115 and 145 for me personally during these efforts. 15 hour (or more!) weeks are not uncommon. Nils v…

I raced at an elite amateur level for about a decade and I never really saw the purpose of those huge zone 2 training blocks. Almost no races were more than four hours long and most were in the one to three hour range. It felt like there was a lot of cargo culting of european pros who had very different requirements given the far longer races they were doing over there. Unless you are an aspiring pro or willing to sa…

Plans I see for time crunched athletes tend to do more Z3 plus higher zone intervals, so I think your take is valid. I train for XC MTB (my A-race is 60miles ish) and ultra distance, so maybe the Z2 work is more important for me.

However, this is all beside the point - whether it makes sense or not, there are a lot of folks doing polarized plans that involve a lot of Z2, so the desire to be able to type while on the trainer isn't unreasonable.

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by shiroiushi »

kitd wrote: post #92
shiroiushi wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think that saddle puts pressure on the author's perineum? A properly fitted road bike saddle is sized so all your weight is on your "sit bones", parts of your pelvis around the perineum. If your saddle is putting pressure on your perineum, that means it's the wrong saddle for you. The problem is different people have different-sized gaps between their sit bones, so different people need different saddl…

> If your saddle is putting pressure on your perineum, that means it's the wrong saddle for you. I mean, that's pretty much what he said: "Get a different saddle"

No, it's not. He was assuming that saddle wasn't a good fit for the author, when there's no evidence of that at all. In fact, he was assuming that it was a bad saddle purely because it's a narrow road bike saddle and not some wide, cushioned saddle you find on $100 bikes at Walmart. In short, the OP knows absolutely nothing about bike saddles or how they relate to human anatomy, and shouldn't give out advice about them.

Re: A cycling desk / Zwifting with a split keyboard

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Post by AlexErrant »

muti wrote: post #2

A split kb with integrated trackball would help alleviate the awkward mousing situations, e.g. the charybdis [1]. I'm in a similar position having gone down the ergo split keyboard rabbit hole and vim everywhere, now building a charybdis myself 1. https://github.com/Bastardkb/Charybdis

Heh, I do 2hrs of z2 4x a week (8hr total) with a Charybdis and inclined treadmill. I use two wrist rests rubberbanded together though; the height of the Charybdis is significant and I don't hover my hands. I'm usually programming, though when I run into more complex problems I usually switch to less cognitively burdensome tasks. Or I just stare out the window and let my gut sit on the problem... which is surprisingly effective in coming up with solutions.

https://imgur.com/a/YpQElUs

I clamped a piece of wood to the desk's edge to have something to push against, as having a point of stability is nice. You can see the back of the treadmill's control panel - I took a regular treadmill, dismantled it, and mounted the panel to my adjustable desk. The treadmill is propped up on blocks to get a ~12% incline; my usual pace is around 3.1-3.4mph, depending on the season/humidity. Sweat... is significant. I usually have a towel under my wrists to uh... collect the arm-runnage >_>

I'm using ball transfer units for the trackball. They're nice, but (as with all trackballs) you should clean the BTUs if you want to keep the smooth flicking. I use a 4k tv as my monitor, so flicking from one corner of the screen to the laptop screen all the way on the other side is really nice.

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