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Re: Linux Asceticism

#91

I don't get it, for me a computer is a tool. I want to get away from it as fast as possible, having to tweak the environment is a waste of time . That's why I like macos so much, nothing is perfect but I know that whatever I do there are tools somewhat easy to use . For instance I wanted to read an epub on my computer that runs windows, believe it or not but finding a good or even descent epub reader is a nightmare.…

Funny, that's precisely why I much prefer Linux over MacOS and Windows—I don't have time to fiddle with stuff all day long. On MacOS and Windows, to get any software, I have to:

1. search around the web to find a good program for a given task, crossing my fingers that it's not going to be malware

2. track down the download link for the software, then download the package

3. unzip the installer, open it, then click "yes I'm aware that this is a program downloaded from the Internet and I accept all the risks," thereby making me feel a little nervous about the whole transaction

4. choose the install location, install type, and so on, click "next," "next," "next," then scroll through a seemingly endless legal agreement by which I legally agree to god-knows-what

5. use the program, but inevitably endure an onslaught of annoyances from it: pop-ups that push me to buy the premium version, pop-ups that tell me to download and install an update for the program (for which I need to go through steps 1-4 all over again); the list goes on and on

And to make matters worse, each program asks me individually to update it, meaning that if I'm using 10 programs, I have to handle 10 separate update requests, with no way to batch them all.

In contrast, how do you install a program on Linux? `apt install some-program` or equivalent. How you upgrade all your software at once? `apt upgrade`. That's it. I don't have this epub problem you have—I just use Foliate. And PDF readers are aplenty, too. If you use GNOME or KDE, most of that is already installed for you. At most, it's one or two clicks away, in GNOME Software, for example.

Re: Linux Asceticism

#92

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> it's just as quick to run shrinkpdf in a Linux terminal, and, well, more ascetic. certainly, but 99% computer user never ever opened the terminal. And even then, good luck rotating page 4 of by 270° using terminal, then inverting it with page 5 and filling the form. Things that would take 5 seconds on preview.

true, until someone hooks up Linux to an LLM and being CLI driven it would have no problems doing this & more (Also, I think PDF viewers can do that well in Linux too, I only use a minimal viewer so I don't know)

> until someone hooks up Linux to an LLM and being CLI driven it would have no problems doing this

I appreciate your enthusiasm but man you're over complicating stuff. Beside LLM hallucinations, you would have to type to the computer everything you want to do. I can rotate page with one click, move them to another part is doe with a single mouse drag.

Re: Linux Asceticism

#93
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> That said, linux is in a way like processed foods, and windows is organic. I would have said the opposite. Linux is organic - you get the bare essentials (whatever grew from the ground), and little more. Windows is highly processed - you get the food, but also the chemicals and sugars and additives (AI in your taskbar! Candy Crush and political clickbait in your start menu!) designed to keep you addicted and coming…

I can see how you would think that. The concept of purity is double edged, on the one hand it can seem pure to eat an apple from a tree, but on the other hand, raw sugar has a very high purity! So windows is pure in the first sense, but linux is pure in the second sense. You say that with linux you get the bare essentials, whatever grew from the ground, but take a look at the size of a linux distro, linux is actually…

I don't know where you got the idea that MS doesn't have copies of their own source code. They aren't just blindly shipping binaries from decades ago with unknown provenance. They keep meticulous archives, and even employ full-time digital archivists. Some of their source has leaked in fact*, spanning all the way from the 1980s to the 2020s, so you can see for yourself if you really want to. If you can download a torrent, you can bet MS has a copy too. And if you search on YT, you'll find people who have built working copies of the OS with these leaks. It's all there.

* https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41873

Re: Linux Asceticism

#94

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I have to use MS-Windows at work. It feels as if I'm in an abusive relationship with an partner who gaslights me at very turn but I can't leave him because we have kids and I feel I have an obligation to care for them. The partner (i.e. Microsoft) is the sado-masochist.

Isn't it Microsoft that's the sadist but that you're a masochist for staying after your realization?

I never said I was there by choice ...
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