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NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by mort96 »

maxerickson wrote: post #88
mort96 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not going to be able to escape climate change hell on earth by going to mars. You're not transferring 8 billion people to mars this century. The extremely optimistic scenario is that a small group of select rich people and explorers will be able to go to mars and live there self-sufficiently this century, but "we", as in 99.99% of humans, will have to deal with conditions on earth as they are.

You need a huge group of people to even vaguely approach self sufficiency, or multiple generational advances in manufacturing. For example, if you are importing microchips, you are not self sufficient.

Oh I 100% agree. The very optimistic scenario is that a colony on mars is formed with a few people who depend on regular shipments from earth. The realistic scenario is that a colony on mars is not made this century.

The extremely, wildly, super-optimistic, not gonna happen style scenario is that a few thousand people live there self-sufficiently; and my point is that, however unlikely such a scenario is, even that is nowhere close to enough, because the vast, vast majority of people would still have to deal with climate change. Moving to mars is not, and has never been, "a solution" on foreseeable time horizons.

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by dudeinjapan »

thrance wrote: post #84
ck2 wrote: post #64

We already know that low-gravity causes all kinds of bone and muscle weakness and even messes with eyesight in a dramatic manner. The scary part is while the bones/muscles can be healed over time, the eyesight problems persist and appear to be irreversible. They have to solve this before trips to Mars will be possible, unless they are going to simulate gravity by constantly (slowly) accelerating half-way there and th…

Astronauts have survived in the ISS for longer than it would take to make the trip to Mars. I don't think slightly damaging your eyesight would be a deal breaker if you're willing to go to Mars, a radioactive, unbreathable, freezing, near-vacuum and sterile desert.

Yeah but it's gonna be OUR radioactive, unbreathable, freezing, near-vacuum and sterile desert!!

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by dudeinjapan »

shireboy wrote: post #89
mort96 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not going to be able to escape climate change hell on earth by going to mars. You're not transferring 8 billion people to mars this century. The extremely optimistic scenario is that a small group of select rich people and explorers will be able to go to mars and live there self-sufficiently this century, but "we", as in 99.99% of humans, will have to deal with conditions on earth as they are.

Also, climate conditions on Mars are worse than on Earth. I hear it’s so bad you can’t even go outside!

How dare you!

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by krisoft »

jensgk wrote: post #81

Astronauts have privacy too

Yes. That is absolutely true.

The conflict of course is that the point of sending astronauts to space is to learn about the medical effects of the space environment on human bodies.

Basically they are participating in a very expensive publicly funded medical trial. So the goals of that need to be balanced against their privacy.

I’m not advocating that NASA should publish high resolution pictures of astronauts with puke stained shirts. But they could say “one of the astronauts experienced symptomps commonly associated with intense motion sickness which started after disembarking the vehicle” or “one of the astronauts had intense headaches” or whatever describes the situation.

If the astronauts are not okay with that level of transparency they should pay for their flight with their own money. Is my opinion.

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by echoangle »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #71

It’s either because they don’t want us to freak out that we’re not gonna be able to escape the climate change hell on earth to go to Mars or that there is some reality behind all these new UFO disclosures.

You think people would freak out if NASA told them „you guys won’t be able to go to mars to escape earth“?

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by sgt101 »

ck2 wrote: post #64

We already know that low-gravity causes all kinds of bone and muscle weakness and even messes with eyesight in a dramatic manner. The scary part is while the bones/muscles can be healed over time, the eyesight problems persist and appear to be irreversible. They have to solve this before trips to Mars will be possible, unless they are going to simulate gravity by constantly (slowly) accelerating half-way there and th…

I looked into manned Mars missions in a fit of enthusiasm 30 years or so, and I concluded that we couldn't do it because landing a human + life support on Mars requires deceleration technology we just don't have. Basically the speed of a Martian orbiter needs to be reduced to 0 or so to avoid splatting the human, but Mars' atmosphere is so thin that parachutes just don't provide the required break.

Has that now changed or is it still just fantasy?

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by ruthmarx »

krisoft wrote: post #94
jensgk wrote: post #81

Astronauts have privacy too

Yes. That is absolutely true. The conflict of course is that the point of sending astronauts to space is to learn about the medical effects of the space environment on human bodies. Basically they are participating in a very expensive publicly funded medical trial. So the goals of that need to be balanced against their privacy. I’m not advocating that NASA should publish high resolution pictures of astronauts with pu…

The info will be made public eventually. There is no reason it need be public immediately.

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by jgalt212 »

ruthmarx wrote: post #97
krisoft wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That is absolutely true. The conflict of course is that the point of sending astronauts to space is to learn about the medical effects of the space environment on human bodies. Basically they are participating in a very expensive publicly funded medical trial. So the goals of that need to be balanced against their privacy. I’m not advocating that NASA should publish high resolution pictures of astronauts with pu…

The info will be made public eventually. There is no reason it need be public immediately.

Unless they are hoping the public forgets to follow up. Sort of like when the president's press secretary says to a reporter when faced with a difficult question, "I'll have to get back to you on that."

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by ForHackernews »

echoangle wrote: post #95
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #71

It’s either because they don’t want us to freak out that we’re not gonna be able to escape the climate change hell on earth to go to Mars or that there is some reality behind all these new UFO disclosures.

You think people would freak out if NASA told them „you guys won’t be able to go to mars to escape earth“?

Elon Musk would. It's like his whole deal.

Re: NASA remains silent on why crew went to hospital after dragon splashdown

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Post by tsss »

mort96 wrote: post #83
FollowingTheDao wrote: post #71

It’s either because they don’t want us to freak out that we’re not gonna be able to escape the climate change hell on earth to go to Mars or that there is some reality behind all these new UFO disclosures.

We're not going to be able to escape climate change hell on earth by going to mars. You're not transferring 8 billion people to mars this century. The extremely optimistic scenario is that a small group of select rich people and explorers will be able to go to mars and live there self-sufficiently this century, but "we", as in 99.99% of humans, will have to deal with conditions on earth as they are.

Why would anyone want to go to Mars? Are people now so hysterical that they honestly believe Earth after climate change would be less habitable than Mars, a desert planet with no air?
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