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Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by Agingcoder »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #36

This is partially the result of cloud providers and partially business leadership. They, for whatever reason, insufficiently educated their clients on migration requirements. Lift & shift from on-premises to cloud only work for emergency. The shifted resources must be converted to cloud stack, or the cost will be multiples of on-prem costs. Business leadership was (is?) ignoring IT teams screaming of the problem with…

I keep reading ´ Lift and shift is bad ‘ on HN - what is the opposite of lift and shift ? ( ´cloud native ´ does not mean much to me). Is it that instead of oracle running on a rented vm you use whatever db your cloud provider is selling you, you move your monolith to a service oriented architecture running in k8s, etc ?

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by andrewstuart »

jsnell wrote: post #4

I don't know that 37Signals counts as a "major enterprise". Their Cloud exodus can't have been more than a few dozen servers, right? Meanwhile AWS is growing at 20%/year, Azure at 33% and GCP at 35%. That doesn't seem compatible with any kind of major cloud repatriation trend.

37 Signals has enterprise scale influence in some software development circles.I’m no fan of them but they have it right on this one.

Revolutions cannot start huge, they must start small.

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by hggigg »

dhfuuvyvtt wrote: post #90
PittleyDunkin wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have multiple trends at once. Veteran cloud users leaving, international business onboarding.

And then there's me: never left the datacenter in the first place.

Wise person. Wish we hadn't. Managed to multiply costs 8x (no joke).

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by roydivision »

jimt1234 wrote: post #35
kjellsbells wrote: post #13

Kjell's Law: the cost of a platform eventually exceeds the cost of the one it replaced. But each cost is in a different budget. We seem to have replaced cooling and power and a grumpy sysadmin with storage and architects and unhappy developers.

I've never worked in a data center that did cooling and power correctly. Everyone thinks they're doing it right, and then street power gets cut - there's significant impact, ops teams scramble to contain, and finally there's the finger-pointing.

I have, and least power. I worked in a DC with 4 very large diesel generators, each backed up by a multi-ton flywheel that managed the transition between a power cut and the generators taking over.

Area wide power cut, winter afternoon so it was already getting dark. The two signs I knew there was something wrong were that all the lights went out outside, ie other businesses, street lighting etc. And my internet connection stopped working. Nothing else in the DC was affected. Even the elevator was working.

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by tomcam »

dhfuuvyvtt wrote: post #90
PittleyDunkin wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can have multiple trends at once. Veteran cloud users leaving, international business onboarding.

And then there's me: never left the datacenter in the first place.

I assume you just run everything on prem and have a high speed up/down connection to the Net? Do you have some kind of AWS/Heroku/Azure -type thing running locally or just use something like Apache or what?

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by scirob »

Mortiffer wrote: post #94

How can we get ride of vendor lock-in and have fait market competition get prices down for cloud? It must be possible to make cloud more cost effective via specialization versus every company building the same infrastructure again and again.

Proposed solution: A set of neutral validators that define standard Interfaces and then test any cloud wanting to get listed for compatibility and minimum included performance (also egress).

If all this data is open we should get competition back and fix cloud.

Disclaimer: I am working on suh a system, enterprise love the idea it does well at hackathons but not production ready on the validation standard yet. Would be happy to get critical HN feedback.

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by tomcam »

roydivision wrote: post #96
jimt1234 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never worked in a data center that did cooling and power correctly. Everyone thinks they're doing it right, and then street power gets cut - there's significant impact, ops teams scramble to contain, and finally there's the finger-pointing.

I have, and least power. I worked in a DC with 4 very large diesel generators, each backed up by a multi-ton flywheel that managed the transition between a power cut and the generators taking over. Area wide power cut, winter afternoon so it was already getting dark. The two signs I knew there was something wrong were that all the lights went out outside, ie other businesses, street lighting etc. And my internet conn…

Amazing story, and now the flywheel is living rent free in a steampunk-inspired corner of my brain. What are these called so I can look them up on the net? Like this maybe?

https://www.torus.co/torus-flywheel

Re: Why Companies Are Ditching the Cloud: The Rise of Cloud Repatriation

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Post by InDubioProRubio »

There is a ton of companies in the cloud, that do not know- how to do cloud infra. So they park there administration- at their integrating customers. Which then ditch the avalanche of burning and rebuild huts.

A meta-standard for deployment and infrastructure setup is needed and should be forced down the throats of the resisting patient.

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