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Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by soared »

dustyventure wrote: post #52
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's difficult to tell who the owner is changing between and whether or not the new one is a better actor than the former. This doesn't seem like that hard of a problem to solve, because these are domains with negative reputation, i.e. worse than zero. So if a) the domain is no longer hosting any of the stuff previously complained about and b) is no longer receiving new complaints over a period of a year, it costs…

Using a domain every second year in that environment would get it a gradually raising rank where it isn't penalized/sanitized (by accident, on principle, etc) so every restart after a $30 pause year would be much more effective than a new domain.

It gets reset every year so how would it be more effective?

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by jacobyoder »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #44
dtdynasty wrote: post #6

> Ideally, search engine algorithms would give new domain owners a fresh start. Sadly, I think this would be instantly gamed by abusers. They would release the domain name and attempt to register as a new owner or start repeatedly doing handoffs. It's difficult to tell who the owner is changing between and whether or not the new one is a better actor than the former.

> It's difficult to tell who the owner is changing between and whether or not the new one is a better actor than the former. This doesn't seem like that hard of a problem to solve, because these are domains with negative reputation, i.e. worse than zero. So if a) the domain is no longer hosting any of the stuff previously complained about and b) is no longer receiving new complaints over a period of a year, it costs…

How about not even look for a new owner, and just... check the content and complaint levels? If I was hacked and hosted spam, getting blocked/banned for months at a time when... the spam is cleaned and the hole that allowed it is fixed ASAP... that gives folks less incentive to fix/clean/remediate.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by Citizen_Lame »

lefstathiou wrote: post #80
a_t48 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be somewhat interested in seeing the cels. :)

https://www.neotokyo.com I have a +100 cel backlog that I need to catalog and photograph. Was planning to do it this holiday season so check back in.

Where does one buy cells, apart from ebay?

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by teddyh »

Calling a domain “haunted” is an awful, terrible way to frame it. It places all the badness of the domain on the domain itself, as if the domain name had something with it which could be removed or fixed by the domain owner. Instead, what has actually happened is that the domain is blacklisted by entirely too powerful entities. The problem lies with these blacklisting entities, not with the domain, and the solution must be done there, too. It should not be a domain owner’s responsibility to get out of being unfairly blacklisted.

It’s like when cars took over the streets, and instead of blaming cars for being dangerous for regular people using the streets for walking, the concept of “jaywalking” was invented by car companies to place the blame on people for daring to obstruct cars. Or the concept of “personal carbon footprint”, commonly used to move blame from companies to individuals, when in reality whatever individuals, even in aggregate, could do is utterly insignificant compared to what companies and legislation could accomplish.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by dustyventure »

soared wrote: post #91
dustyventure wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using a domain every second year in that environment would get it a gradually raising rank where it isn't penalized/sanitized (by accident, on principle, etc) so every restart after a $30 pause year would be much more effective than a new domain.

It gets reset every year so how would it be more effective?

A system gets reset, what happens in obscure places like old HN content?

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by quotemstr »

teddyh wrote: post #95

Calling a domain “haunted” is an awful, terrible way to frame it. It places all the badness of the domain on the domain itself , as if the domain name had something with it which could be removed or fixed by the domain owner. Instead, what has actually happened is that the domain is blacklisted by entirely too powerful entities. The problem lies with these blacklisting entities, not with the domain, and the solution…

Who says it's the fault of the domain in some abstract sense? A house becomes haunted when something bad happens in it. It's not the fault of the rafters and joists. I think "haunted" is an apt description.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by teddyh »

quotemstr wrote: post #97
teddyh wrote: post #95

Calling a domain “haunted” is an awful, terrible way to frame it. It places all the badness of the domain on the domain itself , as if the domain name had something with it which could be removed or fixed by the domain owner. Instead, what has actually happened is that the domain is blacklisted by entirely too powerful entities. The problem lies with these blacklisting entities, not with the domain, and the solution…

Who says it's the fault of the domain in some abstract sense? A house becomes haunted when something bad happens in it. It's not the fault of the rafters and joists. I think "haunted" is an apt description.

“Haunted” still implies that the problem exists at the house/domain, and can be fixed there. But a domain being blacklisted is not something which a domain owner can fix by themselves, they have to beg the blacklister to de-list them.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by your_challenger »

lefstathiou wrote: post #80
a_t48 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be somewhat interested in seeing the cels. :)

https://www.neotokyo.com I have a +100 cel backlog that I need to catalog and photograph. Was planning to do it this holiday season so check back in.

Great domain name! I can see why you went through the effort of contacting all the web filters.

Re: Before you buy a domain name, first check to see if it's haunted

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Post by sealeck »

teddyh wrote: post #98
quotemstr wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says it's the fault of the domain in some abstract sense? A house becomes haunted when something bad happens in it. It's not the fault of the rafters and joists. I think "haunted" is an apt description.

“Haunted” still implies that the problem exists at the house/domain , and can be fixed there. But a domain being blacklisted is not something which a domain owner can fix by themselves, they have to beg the blacklister to de-list them.

You'd usually describe a house as haunted if something bad has happened in the past (e.g. a murder, evil spirits, etc) and people are superstitious about this (e.g. believe some ghosts are still living in the house). Hard to see how an owner can fix this. All the usual problems the owner can fix (floorboards need replacing, gutters need cleaning, general repairs) aren't really examples of a house being "haunted".
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