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Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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I think you're doing it wrong. You don't need private. You just need to find the right "release groups" and the right software to use.

I’m almost certain I’m doing it wrong, but that’s sort of my point. As a dev, I spend all day working with software, but then I try to do something I used to easily do as a 12 year old and it’s almost impossible to achieve an even half-decent experience without significant knowledge and research now. It may be obvious to you what the right release groups and software are but this isn’t how it used to be. You used to…

I definitely hear ya. Try out qbittorrent and it's built in search system for an old time kazaa feel.

And don't forget a good VPN like proton VPN

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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I could see your point if the block was after a takedown request and Google did not comply, but this didn't happen. "Piracy Shield" doesn not send out takedown notices, _it just blocks IPs_ reported by a set of _private companies_.

Do you have a source about "Piracy Shield"?

https://www.wired.it/article/piracy-shield-piattaforma-agcom...

the source is in italian, couldn't find one in english that describes how it works but you can just translate it and it's more or less readable, from the source (google translated):

"On the platform, those who hold the rights, for example Sky and Dazn for football, upload the IP addresses or the Fully qualified domain name (Fqdn) , i.e. an unambiguous domain name that allows an online resource to be identified without a doubt, pirate sites that are broadcasting content without authorization , together with forensic evidence certifying the violation . Those who make the request have a few minutes to correct any errors, after which Piracy Shield generates a ticket and includes the report in the list of incriminated sites. Telecommunications and network operators draw on this, and have 30 minutes to block them. The process can also be automatic.

In the case of the Aiip trial, for example, the association has developed an interface, which it will provide to its members, which connects regularly, with a frequency of 1-2 minutes, to Piracy shield , checks the update of the list of sites to be blocked and, if there are new ones, executes the request. The platform also contains a white list of resources that, on the contrary, must not be reset. Piracy Shield is located on the Microsoft Azure cloud and can be reached by accredited operators only via VPN (virtual private network). At the moment the project aims to tackle piracy of sports content"

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

#93

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I think you're doing it wrong. You don't need private. You just need to find the right "release groups" and the right software to use.

I’m almost certain I’m doing it wrong, but that’s sort of my point. As a dev, I spend all day working with software, but then I try to do something I used to easily do as a 12 year old and it’s almost impossible to achieve an even half-decent experience without significant knowledge and research now. It may be obvious to you what the right release groups and software are but this isn’t how it used to be. You used to…

If you're out of touch, then you can monitor sites like torrenfreak that report relevant news and discussion forums that are seemingly legal like r/piracy on reddit.

> it’s almost impossible to achieve an even half-decent experience without significant knowledge and research now.

The thing you have to learn is how to find resources at short notice. That skill is adaptable and should never require significant knowledge and research. Most of what you learned as as 12 year old should still apply.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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> It's huge enough risk that they still choose to invest in fighting it. It's not a risk though. Movies still make over a billion dollars regularly. All it is is greed and ignorance. > But clearly they determined it's cheaper to fight than let it go rampant. This is due to poor decision making, like companies like Coke continuing to pay for advertising at the scale they do. > And for small businesses and projects it…

>Movies still make over a billion dollars regularly And if they make a million more fighting piracy rather than not then they'll do it. It's a risk to their expenditures. Risk is obviously relative. Hacked movies don't kill anyone, a hacked game server of cheaters can kill the entire game. >companies like Coke continuing to pay for advertising at the scale they do. Honestly that's such a discussed topic with so much…

> And if they make a million more fighting piracy rather than not then they'll do it.

Right, but they don't. That's the point.

> It's clear the Coca Cola company made it's decision there.

The question is to what extent was that decision based on real research and data, versus being influenced by being taken out for a nice lunch by some admen and because "that's how we've always done it".

> Word of mouth for product 1.0 doesn't matter if the single dev can't afford to get to product 2.0.

Piracy isn't going to impact that reality at all.

> Thars how "pirates spend the most" work Survivor bias is playing a huge role here, and most pirated services doit survive.

There's no bias, nor is this speculation. This is a topic that has been researched for more than 20 years at this point and consistently shows that pirates spend more and lead to an increase in sales.

> And "we'll pay you on exposure" is just as insulting to hear from a pirate as it is from a conglomerate.

Only in the context of certain expectations, which people can't accept were wrong and maybe shouldn't have been ingrained into them.

People rewarding what like, especially in the context of art, is how humanity has done it for the vast majority of history. You could say, perhaps, that sharing and rewarding is more in line with human nature.

I don't really have a problem with the involuntary shareware situation pretty much every dev has been forced into. I don't believe it's ultimately harmful at all.

> Giving away your 1.0 for free works at the scale of Microsoft or Adobe where you can reel them in later (by shutting off the very piracy they benefitted from).

I mean, most software these days that home users use tends to be open source with a donation button anyway.

Any software developer heavily dependent on commercial sales of a first version software product would likely already have some sale contracts in place, because it would be foolish to take out loans or be wasting money for something that might not sell.

> Small businesses can't sit on rent or debt anywhere near as long.

Then they shouldn't have ventured into software if they were unaware of what the market is like. This has little to do with piracy, unless you assume every pirated instance would be a loss sale, which is obviously never the case.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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DNS.

Connecting with https prevents any DNS poisoning, unless the ISP managed to get a fraudulently issued certificate or a MITM root CA installed on the end users' devices. Neither seem likely.

It's not poisoning, it's blocking.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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And this is meant to insinuate what exactly?

I find it curious how people in 'the West' fail to recognize the extend of propaganda by their own media, corporations and governments, while they seem to have no qualms attributing the same machinations to the rest of the world.

Oh yes so curious indeed, you should try and look inwards some day curious person, who knows what curiosity you'll find on your curiously curious adventures.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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It's also a question of IP valuation. Media companies have IP as an asset on their books. Battling piracy is a means to defend the valuation they attach to that IP.

It's wasted money though. They're literally just losing more money on whatever money they think they lost due to piracy.

There's money and there's "money". You know when a crypto grifter mints a billion tokens, sells a thousand for $1 each and then claims to be a billionaire? Then borrows half a billion from a bank, using his almost-billion "$1" tokens as collateral? This is like that.

Re: Italy's Piracy Shield just blocked one of Google's CDN

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Why would Italy have anything called Piracy Shield? Is it located in the West or in China?

If I recall correctly they were also the first Western country (or the first country overall outside of China) to implement lockdowns, at a time when everyone was saying that we couldn’t do them and that lockdowns could only happen in a country like China.

They were the first Western country to get a COVID-19 outbreak.
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