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Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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That’s not fundamentally wrong , but you are missing the degree of change. Shit has gotten so bad, so fast, relative to what it was before.

I'm not missing anything. I was very clearly implying one specific point that Cuba has never been a "mostly developed country" and has been impoverished ever since Castro and the communists took over.

It was that way, and yes suffered continuous population exodus to Florida on homemade rafts, since... EVER. It's simply a "bad country" overall and it has very little to do with Castro or Communism. It never had a permanent population of any considerable size that lived there voluntarily - pre-Columbian Taino people were extremely few in numbers, and lived in a completely prehistoric manner compared not just to Latin American native American pre-Columbian civilizations of same era, but even to North American first nations. Because only people who would live there were losers who were pushed out from everywhere else.

After that, vast majority were slaves, brought continuously by force, because they kept dying and dying and even with insane birth rate of the era there was no chance to ever sustain their population without continuous imports. And there was no way to make agriculture profitable without this horrible exploitation.

After slavery, population was... whoever didn't have balls to step on a raft and sail to Florida. This country is simply not made for living. Centuries of continuous negative selection because of massive one-way emigration and no immigration at all, took a genetic toll, too.

It doesn't exonerate Castro or Commies in general, of course they built a social model that beats even North Korea in dysfunction (North Korea at least made nukes), but just for a fact, Cuba is a useless place to live and if it was free and democratic, it would be very, very sparsely populated with people living there only for specific purposes of exploiting natural resources/shipping/fishing, but not permanent argicultural let alone industrial settlement.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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I'm not an American so not educated on this. Are the sanctions considered successful? What are their goals?

The sanctions are nothing most Americans ever think of, apart from maybe Cuban cigars being exotic or hard to procure - though I feel like that was more of a thing 30+ years ago. The goal was Cuba was openly hostile to the US and so we swung our large economic …stick, around. They took our assets and then held nuclear missiles for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, essentially putting them incredibly close to our…

> held nuclear missiles for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, essentially putting them incredibly close to our shores.

I think those missiles were installed (at least partly) as a response to US deploying nuclear weapons in Turkey (and, to a lesser extent, Italy).

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/where-to-watch-the-debateand-... Sanctions on Cuba have strangled their economy and spread misery among the population. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/11/1143112 US is almost alone in spearheading the embargo.

If the US is "almost alone", it shouldn't matter that the US isn't trading with Cuba. It's an island, there are plenty of countries they could trade with. Cuba is collapsing because of failed economic policies and the resulting emigration.

I can’t go to Cuba without making it far harder to go to America. I can’t easily do business was with both freely, I have to choose.

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I'm not missing anything. I was very clearly implying one specific point that Cuba has never been a "mostly developed country" and has been impoverished ever since Castro and the communists took over.

For the vast majority of the population it was impoverished even before Castro.

Cuba was the richest or second richest country in the Caribbean before Castro

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The sanctions are nothing most Americans ever think of, apart from maybe Cuban cigars being exotic or hard to procure - though I feel like that was more of a thing 30+ years ago. The goal was Cuba was openly hostile to the US and so we swung our large economic …stick, around. They took our assets and then held nuclear missiles for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, essentially putting them incredibly close to our…

> held nuclear missiles for the Soviet Union during the Cold War, essentially putting them incredibly close to our shores. I think those missiles were installed (at least partly) as a response to US deploying nuclear weapons in Turkey (and, to a lesser extent, Italy).

You are correct. That part is never said.

Re: Cuba's grid goes offline with blackout after a major power plant fails

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Maybe it will lead to regime change then. Cuba deserves better.

Poor economy rarely causes regime change in a dictatorship. North Korea is doing worse and yet regime is stable.

Poor economy doesn't necessarily cause regime change, but regime changes almost always happen from an economic downturn.

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It’s unfortunate that Cuba is so reliant on inefficient oil fired plants. Solar power could easily cover their needs if it weren’t for the economic and sanctions situation. I feel like we will be seeing this bloom into a more political situation before too long.

Nothing is stopping them from trading with China.

Except that they don’t have anything to trade lol.

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Cuba has been going through a crazy major decline ever since COVID. It's pretty rare for a mostly developed country to collapse into poverty without a war. Roughly 5% of the population is fleeing the island each year: https://miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cub...

i would describe US sanctions as economic warfare

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Second harshest - Gaza has worse.

And yet the US trades openly with Palestine. Seems like maybe the issue with Cuba isn't entirely the US embargo?

The US does not trade freely with Palestine. Israel blocks shipments at the border.
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