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Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by freediver »

wenc wrote: post #88
wkat4242 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strange thing is that kagi gets most of its search results from other providers like brave, bing and I believe even Google. It should be able to find those things. I use SearXNG by the way. Kagi is better but I like the way I can configure SearXNG.

Try looking for your a local Thai restaurant in your area. Kagi doesn’t profile you so it doesn’t know where you are, so any local searches involve adding a keyword or doing the search a second time with !g. I just tried it on Kagi and it suggested a Yelp link for restaurants in McKinney TX which is nowhere near where I am. Google uses what it knows about you as context — which arguably many folks here are against— b…

> Google uses what it knows about you as context — which arguably many folks here are against— but it does get me the right results in one go.

Kagi does let you opt-in your location to improve searches. So there is a way and the user is in full control.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by Nevermark »

I use Kagi. I love Kagi.

(Please, don’t support (financially, by “donating” your attention) the surveillance, psychological addiction, and manipulation economy.)

And this is a great feature!

I do wonder how long the distinction between AI & non-AI, for any type of content, will be algorithmically or manually detectable.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

#93

Post by punchmesan »

lumb63 wrote: post #83

Kagi has a lot of features that seem “neat”. In fact, their pitch and feature set was enough to convince me to sign up. However, I haven’t been wowed by the service. I do not find there to be a noticeable difference above or below any other search engine I have used (all of which I would rank about the same). I’m curious what other Kagi users are doing or finding that makes their experience so overwhelmingly positive…

I search a lot. Heavy heavy searching. Kagi's no-BS approach to search gets me to relevant results much faster than any other search engine. And the ability to down-rank or block unreliable sources only sharpens that experience.

I have used, and continue to try on occasion to keep my opinions updated, all the big search engines. DDG, Bing, and Google. The search experience is really not there for me in those 3. Bing consistently produces poor results, DDG is a bit better but I still have to manually sift through poor quality results to get what I want, and Google makes me scroll past a lot of bloat and ads first to get to quality results, with more ads interspersed throughout.

I like being able to search, get my quality results, and move on with my life. That's worth paying for to me.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

#94

Post by muixoozie »

jsheard wrote: post #2

For those who haven't jumped ship to Kagi, there's a uBlacklist feed which strips out most big sites dedicated to AI images, with an optional extra "nuclear" feed which also knocks out sites that aren't strictly dedicated to AI images but do have a very large proportion of them. https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist

Cancelled my sub recently. Not because I don't like it, but because I'm taking a break before starting my next job and wondering if I can get by without it.. Guess only thing I don't like is their cheapest tier is just slightly under my usage and the next tier is unlimited (more than I need).

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

#95

Post by nnf »

digging wrote: post #66
stavros wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it for two months and it was good, but not that much better that I'd spend $10/mo on it. The results were basically about the same as DDG. I can't really relate to all the praise I see about it. However, I do have to say that, when I was looking for a very specific post, I spent around twenty minutes on Google and DDG and they came back with trash, whereas Kagi found it right away. In that one instance it was…

I don't feel I have enough ground truth to know how good Kagi's search is in absolute terms (eg. there are plenty of searches where I still just "fail to find" and I don't know if it's my fault or theirs), I just know that I get less "junk" results with it than with DDG by far. With the additional ability to customize results and filters, I'd say it's a good product and it's worth a small subscription fee. The qualit…

“fail to find” is one of my favorite aspects of Kagi. When I get that message, I know I need to adjust my search terms. In contrast, Google wants to show me something even if there are no good results, but when it’s just junk, that wastes my time.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

#96

Post by commandar »

freediver wrote: post #91
wenc wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try looking for your a local Thai restaurant in your area. Kagi doesn’t profile you so it doesn’t know where you are, so any local searches involve adding a keyword or doing the search a second time with !g. I just tried it on Kagi and it suggested a Yelp link for restaurants in McKinney TX which is nowhere near where I am. Google uses what it knows about you as context — which arguably many folks here are against— b…

> Google uses what it knows about you as context — which arguably many folks here are against— but it does get me the right results in one go. Kagi does let you opt-in your location to improve searches. So there is a way and the user is in full control.

I just looked and I can't find any option to localize results more specifically than "United States." I'm not finding anything in a KB search either. If the option is there, it has really poor discoverability.

I love the service, but poor local results is definitely one of its weak points and basically the only reason I ever fall back to Google anymore.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by gandalfgreybeer »

nox101 wrote: post #89
freediver wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you want to search for them though? Or ability to generate them yourself easily?

searching for the often leads to the prompts I need to get a similar image from which I can iterate from. So yes, I want to search for them

>searching for the often leads to the prompts I need to get a similar image from which I can iterate from.

how crazy are these images that you can't start with a prompt of your own?

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by nox101 »

gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #97
nox101 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

searching for the often leads to the prompts I need to get a similar image from which I can iterate from. So yes, I want to search for them

>searching for the often leads to the prompts I need to get a similar image from which I can iterate from. how crazy are these images that you can't start with a prompt of your own?

at least in the image generators that I've used it takes quite a bit of experimentation to get both positive and negative prompts that produce both the result you want and a quality one as well.

Part of it, if I understand correctly, is that the data has no actual concept of grammar and meaning. So if you say "a table with 6 legs" it doesn't see that as a full concept, it sees words or segments of words, so "legs" can end up being legs of people (it might make a table with human or animal legs) and similarly it just might insert random legs in the scene because it has no understanding of the description.

So, people find ways to coerce / influence it to get to the right place.

It's also important to know what models/loras/etc were used as not all data sets generate good images for whatever your topic is.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by lumb63 »

benrapscallion wrote: post #87
lumb63 wrote: post #83

Kagi has a lot of features that seem “neat”. In fact, their pitch and feature set was enough to convince me to sign up. However, I haven’t been wowed by the service. I do not find there to be a noticeable difference above or below any other search engine I have used (all of which I would rank about the same). I’m curious what other Kagi users are doing or finding that makes their experience so overwhelmingly positive…

A clean page of results that the search engine deems best [i.e., no antagonistic commercial interest driving priorities] for the query and the ability to block domains - that was enough for me. ‘Summarize this page’ is useful as well.

Do you find that this actually saves you time, and that you get to your desired search result faster? These sound like great features to me, but I haven’t found them translating to less time spent searching.

Re: Kagi Update: AI Image Filter for Search Results

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Post by dghlsakjg »

stavros wrote: post #51
dawnerd wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switched about ten months ago and it’s been so good I forget it’s even not Google sometimes.

If you forget it's not Google, I don't want to sign up. I want something that reminds me all the time that it's not Google, mainly by its ability to actually find the things I search for.

I'm not sure what they mean. I have mine tuned to the point that I can immediately tell when I accidentally google something because the results are so shockingly bad.

Kagi is REALLY good at giving you the ability to filter out the type of results you never want to see.

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