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Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by echoangle »

consteval wrote: post #75
echoangle wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you see "accidentally"?

It's an assumption, but groceries are food and I'm assuming the person just threw in toothpaste as well. And, apparently, that one dollar worth of toothpaste was too far.

Well it was a credit replacing the food that’s normally available. If the stated purpose is credit to get a meal while working there, it’s fraud to buy other stuff with the credit. I can see why an employer would want to terminate you, they have to trust you and your work.

Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by [deleted] »

consteval wrote: post #85
HDThoreaun wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was meta I wouldnt want to employ people who are interested in stealing from me, especially when I pay them $400,000. The fact that the theft wasnt that bad or that the policy doesnt make the most sense is irrelevant. The company trusts employees to use benefits with responsibility and this dude used your logic of "leaving money on the table" even though hes being paid 400,000

> dude used your logic of "leaving money on the table" But my logic is correct. If he had just spent it on food he didn't need, he would be in the clear. So then the conclusion must be the policy doesn't work. The policy is very relevant, in fact it's the only relevant piece of information. You want to prevent stealing? Don't offer your employees stipends. Problem solved, I'll send everyone my invoice. This is a simp…

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Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by SilverBirch »

We had this at my company (finance) during covid they had a generous Uber eats offer for food after work hours. Some employees (particularly new grads) realised they could pick the food up as they left or collect the food at the door as they left the office or redirect the order. remember at the time thinking this is stealing pennies when you’re paid incredibly well.

Well it wasn’t pennies. HR filtered to find those who claimed thousands and then managed to prove many of them were ordering on days they hadn’t even swiped into the office. Anyway, when HR finally did look into it dozens of people got fired from their $n00,000 job for stealing $5,000 worth of food. Good to fire them, you don’t want to hire people that stupid.

Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by cchance »

qgin wrote: post #56

Conditional money is goofy and essentially asking for problems. Either give someone $20 or don’t. Then you don’t have to have an entire investigative department devoted to auditing whether an item has caloric value or not.

agree 100%

Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by cchance »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #64
throwaway19972 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who cares? Have you seen the profit margins at these stingy-ass companies?

>Who cares? Have you seen the profit margins at these stingy-ass companies? Should stealing be excused just because you're doing it to some wealthy entity? The problem with the "it's OK to steal from them because they're in a position of privilege and I'm not" justification logic, is that then the poor/homeless guy around the block should also be ok to rob you or break into your car because "who cares, have you seen…

Its not stealing they gave them the money, in the form of the voucher, they just didnt like what they were using the voucher for or the way they were using it (on the way out of the office).

Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by infamouscow »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #52
dgan wrote: post #45

I still remember.As clear as day: I bought raw eggs and raw meat with my French equivalent "tickets resto", as well as a couple of beers. I am a horrible person. Granted, I was only being paid 2300€/month at that time. Poor international companies providing me generous perks, and I.. I occupy the position of someone else who would be strictly abiding the rules. I should have been fired on the spot. If only the world…

There's your mistake. Abusing the rules for personal gain is a privilege reserved for the rich and powerful. The commoners get the rule book thrown at them if they get caught stealing from their lords.

Most of these employees believe they're elite, they aren't.

The natural aristocrats are unaffected, not because they get away with abusing the system, but because they don't abuse them.

One has to be remarkably pathetic and morally bankrupt to abuse this in the first place. Meta is simply correcting their mistake of hiring a fundamentally unqualified peasant.

Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by dns_snek »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #81
tivert wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So probably a perk they decided was worth it or necessary for morale at some point I always thought that stuff (along with the snacks) was a ploy to keep employees working longer hours. Needing to get food/coffee/whatever is a transition that can allow people to decide to disengage from work. A strategically placed coffee station can prevent a longer trip to the cafeteria or a coffee shop, and free food in the cafe…

Of course it is. That doesnt mean it isnt also a perk. I am happy that my office has coffee even though it also benefits my employer with the increased productivity. Same with lunch, its a win win for the company and the employee.

I don't think it's a win for the employee if they're getting $100 worth of extra labor out of you in exchange for $25 worth of food. And not just financially, I always thought that these "perks" make it harder to disconnect and relax from work which is likely to take a toll on mental health - I know it would for me.

Re: Meta fires staff for 'using free meal vouchers to buy household goods'

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Post by s1artibartfast »

archagon wrote: post #79
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Who cares? Have you seen the profit margins at these stingy-ass companies? Should stealing be excused just because you're doing it to some wealthy entity? The problem with the "it's OK to steal from them because they're in a position of privilege and I'm not" justification logic, is that then the poor/homeless guy around the block should also be ok to rob you or break into your car because "who cares, have you seen…

How is this stealing?

How is it not?

It is basically lying on an expense report.

They were given permission to use funds to dinner if they were working late. Instead they treated the program as a personal credit card.

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