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Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by Zardoz84 »

dmz73 wrote: post #81
opem wrote: post #73

It's true that the complexity of these kinda projects are enormous, but considering chrome/webkit's monopoly in the browser space, I feel we should always welcome and appreciate alternative efforts...regardless of the project's outcome. P.S. the website and the probably AI generated logo is giving a sketchy vibe about the project :)

Isn't this how generative models are supposed to be used? Instead of generating a sub-par (no pun intended) logo myself, I get a model to build one for me. It is the same as using any computer software to achieve the goal - human is providing the inputs and hardware and software are generating the output.

Instead of generating a sub-par (no pun intended) logo myself, you should PAY to someone to make a logo, instead of stealing work from other people.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by sharktheone »

flaburgan wrote: post #89
ricardobeat wrote: post #82

I was hoping for a small embeddable engine to finally replace Electron. The build on Windows ends up being 55MB, not too bad but still too large for simple apps. Is anyone working on something like that?

That's now one of the goal of Servo. Also, did you look at Tauri?

Servo and Tauri still let the Application use JavaScript, which is just very wasteful. I was thinking about making it possible to write dynamic websites completely without JavaScript, by building up WASM support and making that even faster. But that's a not the goal for now. Indeed, we don't even have a JS API for websites yet...

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #91
dmz73 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this how generative models are supposed to be used? Instead of generating a sub-par (no pun intended) logo myself, I get a model to build one for me. It is the same as using any computer software to achieve the goal - human is providing the inputs and hardware and software are generating the output.

Instead of generating a sub-par (no pun intended) logo myself, you should PAY to someone to make a logo, instead of stealing work from other people.

I think, at this stage, logo is the least important piece in all this.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by nicoburns »

ricardobeat wrote: post #82

I was hoping for a small embeddable engine to finally replace Electron. The build on Windows ends up being 55MB, not too bad but still too large for simple apps. Is anyone working on something like that?

Yes, we're working on that over at https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz (alpha release imminent). Our TodoMVC example is current ~20mb with a standard release builds, but comes down to 7.2mb with some compiler flags like -Oz and LTO enabled (these numbers of from macOS).

And we plan to allow fine grained configuration of the feature set, so if you don't need certain image formats or layout algorithms or networking support, then you can disable them and save on binary size.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

exe34 wrote: post #60
DoctorOW wrote: post #19

Why not spend this effort contributing to Servo, which is also written in Rust? It seems the two projects share similar goals but Servo has a massive headstart.

people really need to take a democratic vote on what they do in their free time, it's getting ridiculous, some of them are even having fun now!

Agreed. Honestly, wasn't the whole purpose of open source to be kinda free for all ( the followers, the inventors, the grinders... you name it ). Why does everything I read lately start with a 'should'. I am making a mental note to self.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by opem »

dmz73 wrote: post #81
opem wrote: post #73

It's true that the complexity of these kinda projects are enormous, but considering chrome/webkit's monopoly in the browser space, I feel we should always welcome and appreciate alternative efforts...regardless of the project's outcome. P.S. the website and the probably AI generated logo is giving a sketchy vibe about the project :)

Isn't this how generative models are supposed to be used? Instead of generating a sub-par (no pun intended) logo myself, I get a model to build one for me. It is the same as using any computer software to achieve the goal - human is providing the inputs and hardware and software are generating the output.

> Isn't this how generative models are supposed to be used?

Might be, or better just use the name as the logo. At this initial stage no one expects to see a good branding I guess.

I've recently seen lots of low effort, sketchy looking projects using "sub-par" quality AI generated assets...and in turn when I see these kinds of images used in some project it really just shows off "put least effort to get things done" mentality...I feel.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by opem »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #93
Zardoz84 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of generating a sub-par (no pun intended) logo myself, you should PAY to someone to make a logo, instead of stealing work from other people.

I think, at this stage, logo is the least important piece in all this.

That's the point. And if the maintainers still want to consider this, I feel that should be done right.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by levkk »

joshmarinacci wrote: post #28

Former Mozilla employee here. The fact that they are writing their own bytestream abstraction does not bode well. That said, I hope they succeed at shipping something, even if it’s not competitive with Chrome. My previous thoughts on the topic: Why you can’t build a web browser and why you should anyway. https://joshondesign.com/2022/12/14/browser_1000_loc

There are people who write their own hash tables, and there are those who just use a library. What may seem like a bad idea to some is trivial to others. Hacker culture is way more fun when you are allowed to use recursion [1].

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/ntvtzq/c...

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by pests »

madeofpalk wrote: post #85
pests wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as a data point, the YouTube app on most TVs and devices is a stripped down browser only supporting exactly the HTML/CSS/JS needed to run the big picture client. By tighter integration with the final product, the browser can provide specialized elements or APIs to simplify the actual application code. I think it's used a few other places as well.

Most smart tv apps are just web apps. YouTube isn’t particularly unique in that regard. Even the old pre-tvOS Apple TV apps were kinda web apps - XML and JavaScript delivered over HTTP

I do agree TV apps are mostly web apps, but most of them did not run in a browser that was specifically designed for that single app.

Re: Gosub – An open-source browser engine

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Post by [deleted] »

opem wrote: post #73

It's true that the complexity of these kinda projects are enormous, but considering chrome/webkit's monopoly in the browser space, I feel we should always welcome and appreciate alternative efforts...regardless of the project's outcome. P.S. the website and the probably AI generated logo is giving a sketchy vibe about the project :)

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