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The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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My kid is 7. He has a Linux desktop he can use whenever he wants with no internet access from his user account. My wife and I abandoned all social media and we’ll probably get him a dumb phone when the time comes. I’ve heard the stuff some of his friends with more internet permissive parents parrot from YouTube and stuff and honestly it’s frightening. As for the good stuff that’s actually out there, I download for co…

If you do that, your kid won't fit in and will be a social outcast

So either your kid gets infected by other kids, or it becomes a social outcast. Seems both are equality bad, I would even lean towards saying social outcast is less worse than being infected.

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We have an entire generation of people i.e. us growing up with computers and TVs. There is no evidence that it has had any negative effects. The problem is exclusively with social media. And in particular the way it is having young kids being shaped by adult role models e.g. Andrew Tate, Mr Beast who don't have their wellbeing in mind. And being subjected to adult themed content in volumes we've never seen before.

I saw the negative effects of smartphone access firsthand all around me when I was in middle school and the iPhone 3G had come out, which predated influencers. Kids became antisocial.

I was antisocial in school. It was before phones, and I spent recess reading books. Good times!

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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I believe the lawsuit brought by the states against TikTok is a part of a broader mission to arrest control over TikTok in the US at a sweeter price. And while I don’t think TikTok is an angel, i see the whole consolidated effort at “taming” TikTok as being for show and claim of positive reformations. It’s disingenuous. It’s deceptive. It’s conspiratorial.

This won't be popular opinion but I think the tech industry is out of control with targeting kids. Like seriously my job in the banking industry was more ethical than this.

In what way is the banking industry a low bar for ethics?

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I am obviously a bit early, as my oldest is only 7, but my wife and I decided to force ourselves to delay getting our kids (7 & 4) their own media device, such as an iPad and go straight to a laptop when it becomes a necessity in school. My 7 year old, with immense attention issues, is obsessed with reading and being creative, I could not imagine her being at her reading level if she had an iPad or some other form of…

In Germany kids get it at 13

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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post #94
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I am obviously a bit early, as my oldest is only 7, but my wife and I decided to force ourselves to delay getting our kids (7 & 4) their own media device, such as an iPad and go straight to a laptop when it becomes a necessity in school. My 7 year old, with immense attention issues, is obsessed with reading and being creative, I could not imagine her being at her reading level if she had an iPad or some other form of…

In Germany kids get it at 13

That’s a bold statement. It does not match the reality I observe at all.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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A definition of “social media” that includes HN has been stretched to the point of uselessness. We would have to invent a new term to refer to the things we actually mean by “social media”. Better to just not do that so we can keep having a useful term.

Alright, let's use an actual definition: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/social_media says, > (uncountable) Applications or websites allowing users to share content and communicate with one another via the Internet. and HN: [x] is a website [x] allowing users to share content [x] allowing users communicate [x] via the internet Perhaps you should invent a new term for whatever you're talking about? Depending on what yo…

The Wikipedia definition isn't complete, otherwise Wikipedia itself is social media too. Basically nobody outside of HN would consider HN social media if they saw it.

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post #92

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I saw the negative effects of smartphone access firsthand all around me when I was in middle school and the iPhone 3G had come out, which predated influencers. Kids became antisocial.

I was antisocial in school. It was before phones, and I spent recess reading books. Good times!

I was antisocial then became relatively social just because everyone else became even more antisocial. It's like that Simpsons episode where everyone starts acting like Bart, and he realizes the problem with that.

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Curious how tech-oriented parents here are approaching TikTok et al with their kids. My kid isn't walking yet, but for when the time comes, I'm not sure how I'll limit exposure to what I'd call "pure trash", but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff.

> but also give them freedom and the ability to 'fit in' with (inevitably) the rest of their friends using this stuff. I teach fifth grade at an upscale private school. None of the children in my homeroom have cell phones; one has an apple watch. I think more parents are becoming aware of the problem, which in turn makes social pressure less of an issue.

Which country’s system fifth grade? Or alternatively, which age are talking about? If it’s 13 year olds, that sounds very surprising and wildly impractical.

Re: The TikTok documents: Stripping teens and boosting 'attractive' people

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Alright, let's use an actual definition: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/social_media says, > (uncountable) Applications or websites allowing users to share content and communicate with one another via the Internet. and HN: [x] is a website [x] allowing users to share content [x] allowing users communicate [x] via the internet Perhaps you should invent a new term for whatever you're talking about? Depending on what yo…

The Wikipedia definition isn't complete, otherwise Wikipedia itself is social media too. Basically nobody outside of HN would consider HN social media if they saw it.

> The Wikipedia definition isn't complete, otherwise Wikipedia itself is social media too.

Actually, that's a decent point; it should probably add something about being primarily focused on the user interactions. That is, Wikipedia isn't social media, but I'd hesitate to say that the talk pages aren't.

> Basically nobody outside of HN would consider HN social media if they saw it.

And on that point we definitely disagree, though I suppose I could ask around. What do you think makes it not?

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