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Famous AI Artist Says He's Losing Millions from People Stealing His Work

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Re: Famous AI Artist Says He's Losing Millions from People Stealing His Work

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Post by fragmede »

shadowgovt wrote: post #79
remon wrote: post #15

Millions? His work? Come on now.

Nature photographers can spend weeks or months scouting out a proper locale, picking the vantage point, waiting for just the right moment (or collecting and curating hundreds of moments), and then doing (possibly) final touch-ups in a photo editor. Their work is copyrightable, and it can be argued the only "work" they did was pushing a shutter button and maybe some touch-ups. Nature did the rest. We extend copyright…

of course, we have the interesting case where a monkey pressed the shutter button, and the decision was that the resulting picture want copyrightable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

Re: Famous AI Artist Says He's Losing Millions from People Stealing His Work

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Post by lovethevoid »

kup0 wrote: post #90

Dear journalists/others: for the love of all that is good, please for f's sake stop calling these people "artists". It reinforces the lie they tell themselves. They are nothing of the sort. They are, at most, and even this is overly generous, someone commissioning a "fake artist" (AI) to make something for them

I always wondered why there was an immediate rush to call them AI artists despite the first and predominant use being writing. Even a prompt is just writing text. Even with all the fancy visual tools, you still need to write a prompt somewhere along the lines.

Yet “AI writers” isn’t really a thing journalists/bloggers refer to them as. It’s interesting from the outside, as neither a writer or an artist.

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Post by sundaeofshock »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #88
ginvok wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty images are worthless, there's no point staring at images that have were made without intention or effort. Making a prompt is hardly any effort and more of a lucky hit.

Making a good generated image is way more than typing a prompt.

How? Seriously, beyond coming up with the prompt, how is synthetic content more then typing a prompt

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Post by dmarcos »

sundaeofshock wrote: post #94
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making a good generated image is way more than typing a prompt.

How? Seriously, beyond coming up with the prompt, how is synthetic content more then typing a prompt

Look for ComfyUI tutorials on YouTube. Creating something unique is elaborate and requires developing skills no different than Photoshop or any other digital art tool.

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Post by harisec »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #14

This may not be the reason he's "losing" money here, but I was struck by how much less... impressive that piece is to me now compared to when I first saw it. (Visually impressive; I've always known it was from Midjourney.) When the news first broke about it winning an award, I was like "well damn, I can see why—it's visually striking!" But the longer I look at it, and the more LLM-generated images I see in general, t…

There are no "LLM-generated images". These images are generated using diffusion models. LLMs are very different from diffusion models.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_model

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Post by Ferret7446 »

ginvok wrote: post #84
spondylosaurus wrote: post #14

This may not be the reason he's "losing" money here, but I was struck by how much less... impressive that piece is to me now compared to when I first saw it. (Visually impressive; I've always known it was from Midjourney.) When the news first broke about it winning an award, I was like "well damn, I can see why—it's visually striking!" But the longer I look at it, and the more LLM-generated images I see in general, t…

Pretty images are worthless, there's no point staring at images that have were made without intention or effort. Making a prompt is hardly any effort and more of a lucky hit.

There's equally no point staring at images that were made with intention or effort either.

It doesn't pass a blind scientific placebo test.

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Post by falcolas »

Manuel_D wrote: post #82
falcolas wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for the info. It's still going to run afoul of the copyright office's interpretation of who owns copyright for AI generated materials, but I'm really glad to see them doing something ethical with the model creation.

So your understanding of the law is that any use of the inpainting tool in modern versions of Photoshop makes the image impossible to copyright? Heck, even the magic-wand select is using AI to fine tune its behavior.

Not the entire image, but parts created by inpainting. Which is admittedly a hot mess of red tape in potentia. But it makes sense from the point of view of copyright having been created to protect people's ability to make a living from IP.

The magic wand is different IMO, because it's not creating any imagery.

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Post by Manuel_D »

falcolas wrote: post #99
Manuel_D wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your understanding of the law is that any use of the inpainting tool in modern versions of Photoshop makes the image impossible to copyright? Heck, even the magic-wand select is using AI to fine tune its behavior.

Not the entire image, but parts created by inpainting. Which is admittedly a hot mess of red tape in potentia. But it makes sense from the point of view of copyright having been created to protect people's ability to make a living from IP. The magic wand is different IMO, because it's not creating any imagery.

If you use the magic wand, and then do anything with the selection mask - cropping, changing hue, etc. - then you're creating imagery with AI.
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