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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#91

Facebook get one step closer to blurring out real ads and overlaying them with FB ads. It is incredibly clever, and you have to respect the technology, but the endgame here is horrific.

The "horrific" end game you mention here doesn't even result in seeing more ads.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#92

A few major elements to this that I'm really interested in: 1. wireless data transfer and how that affects the performance 2. EMG: this is alright, but seems to be a bit overhyped 3. MicroLED: clearly the best display technology available, but how close is color display to consumer price levels? 4. silicon carbide: great material, interested in seeing it at scale 5. magnesium frame: super awesome to see this being pu…

For #4, I don’t think scaling should be a major issue as the tooling industry has been manufacturing at scale for decades now. The only real difference is the customer

I think the requirements at the semi level are quite different than what the tooling industry will be able to produce. The silicon carbide layer thickness probably needs to be controlled at least to the 10 nm level and the film quality will need to be quite high for optical applications. There is some use of silicon carbide in semi in high power electronics, but I don't know how well that transfers to optical quality either.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#93

Glasses that offer you an AR experience / HUD? Pretty cool Glasses that let you record people without their awareness / consent? Downright creepy I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

> I think the best play here would be to release them without any camera functionality at all, or the connotations will be that weird, sweaty guy that no one wants to sit next to on the subway (see: Google Glass).

Sergey Brin sitting sad in the corner after reading this

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#95

Still kinda dorky looking but 10x better than what Snap unveiled last week.[^1] Software looks miles ahead of the AR glasses competition as well. Nice job FB engineers...keep cooking! [^1]: https://www.spectacles.com/

I was going to say that Snap's offering was probably cheaper or designed for mass marketing because their page looks like something you could actually buy. But that isn't the case! Snap will only rent them to you at $1200/year [0], can't imagine what the BOM is like for either of these products. [0] https://www.spectacles.com/lens-studio

Snap's design is really awful looking - to the point I can't see how it doesn't just damage the brand.

Plus Snap's core business is a mess I don't see how they could really compete with Meta on this they'll run out of money first.

It's cool to see Meta's continued work/focus in this space - a polished internal prototype is probably the right place for this hardware.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#96

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

If you get the opportunity to try the Meta glasses, you will quickly see that it's more than just a gimmick, and they don't even have any display

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#97
Is there a term for tech companies rushing toward the future? It seems like there's this cultural rushing toward a future that isn't quite here combined with a tendency toward gaslighting that it is.

Not for the sake of planting a flag and iterating toward it, but almost like there's a grasping at a sci-fi reality that current tech can't meet and what we're seeing are a series of commercial-grade Veruca Salt tantrums.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#98

Decent hands on article from the verge with more info https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo... Wireless compute puck. 70 degree FOV. Resolution high enough to read text. Wrist band detects hand gestures and will be used in another product.

the wristband reminds me of the Myo armband, this thing you could wear to control a computer did meta buy them out?

Yes, they did

https://www.roadtovr.com/facebook-acquires-ctrl-labs-develop...

I had the first myoband sdk and didn’t work for me. I imagine tech is much improved now

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

#100
1. "The name Nazaré is the Portuguese version of Nazareth" ok y'all, I know you're working on edge tech, but lets cool the rhetoric down a little bit. Can't believe the PR-minded execs approved this choice.

2. "It was so challenging that we thought we had less than a 10% chance of pulling it off successfully." Definitely a targeted message to the activist investors urging FB to stick to social media haha. Love it, and believe them 100% on the specific claim! Supposedly Apple Vision came about when they finally gave up on traditional AR (for now).

3. "Zuckerberg imagines that people will want to use AR glasses like Orion for two primary purposes: communicating with each other through digital information overlaid on the real world — which he calls “holograms” — and interacting with AI." I hope to god "AI" as a term looses steam -- basically all he's saying is that this computer will be used for computing. Yes, indeed.

4. "To demonstrate how two people wearing Orion together could interact with the same holograms, I played a 3D take on Pong with Zuckerberg... Zuckerberg beat me, unfortunately." I find it somewhat hilarious how Zuckerberg, Bezos and Elon are simultaneously some of the most powerful people to ever live, and at the same time mascots for multinational conglomerates bigger than they could ever hope to truly understand or control. Zuckerberg is obviously the best mascot out of the bunch, and this is only further proof of that.

5. Wow, the Neural Wristband is insanely cool. Just... wow. I haven't seen anyone even hinting at that, but it seems incredibly obvious in hindsight. See this exploratory paper: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12652-020-01852-z Hilariously, it seems that the initial consumer usecase was a $200 powerpoint remote -- props to the free market! https://wearabletech.io/myo-bracelet .

6. I feel like calling EMG "neural" is a stretch, it seems to be monitoring muscle contraction events only... Is anyone else convinced that they're intentionally using the word to prepare consumers for upcoming non-invasive EEG BCI tech, now that LLM approaches like DeWave have unlocked it? They've certainly got an uphill battle ahead of them to separate it from a) scary scifi and b) scary invasive EEG BCI like Neuralink. But it's just the obvious next step; the glasses already touch your frontal cortex, even!

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